Reasons you left the LDS church.

[Scat]

Is Mormonism a real religion? Yes. It therefore cannot be fake. You may not believe the teachings are correct or true but Mormonism is a real religion and certainly not fake. I think this is the source of Colton's ire. To say it is fake would indicate that there is nothing real about his religion. That it is fake from top to bottom and that he is a fool for believing in any of it.

You would be better served to say that you don't believe what they teach is true. You know, crazy stuff like family unity, service to others and healthy living. That's some crazy *** **** right there!

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Is Mormonism a real religion? Yes. It therefore cannot be fake. You may not believe the teachings are correct or true but Mormonism is a real religion and certainly not fake. I think this is the source of Colton's ire. To say it is fake would indicate that there is nothing real about his religion. That it is fake from top to bottom and that he is a fool for believing in any of it.

You would be better served to say that you don't believe what they teach is true. You know, crazy stuff like family unity, service to others and healthy living. That's some crazy *** **** right there!

Or you could just believe in that stuff without all the other crazy *** **** attached. You know, the racism to blacks, crazy guy seeing things, etc.

 

[Agoxlea]

Is Mormonism a real religion? Yes. It therefore cannot be fake. You may not believe the teachings are correct or true but Mormonism is a real religion and certainly not fake. I think this is the source of Colton's ire. To say it is fake would indicate that there is nothing real about his religion. That it is fake from top to bottom and that he is a fool for believing in any of it.

You would be better served to say that you don't believe what they teach is true. You know, crazy stuff like family unity, service to others and healthy living. That's some crazy *** **** right there!

That's exactly why I clarified my definition of fake for 3 paragraphs. Family unity is great, but I don't believe families can be together after they die, because I don't believe in an afterlife. I think everyone should serve other, I don't know why religion has to be involved to get people to do it, but if that's what it takes then I'm glad people are doing something good. Healthy living is great too. Speaking of healthy, has anyone tried sage's cafe downtown? I'm moving there and looking for somewhere with some delicious vegan food. I'm not going to turn this into an argument like the definition of the word 'weapon', but I think it was clear what I was talking about when I said fake. I also acknowledge the negative connotations of the word, but I think you would have read my post you would know I'm not opposed to any of the good things that the members of the LDS church do. By saying that I think it is fake doesn't mean I don't think that members believe.

 

[LogGrad98]

This is ONE example of your previous self righteous behavior that I believe warranted that response. Most Mormons aren't like that, but that attitude is very abrasive and the exact reason SOME people are anti-lds.

So, disagreement with you = self-righteous? Or is it belief that morality in some form is important = self-righteous? Or is it belief that something that you agree with is immoral = self-righteous? I read statements of disagreement in what Conan said, but nothing truly self-righteous. He even said he wouldn't judge the person, but the behavior and make a call on that.

Like I said, I'd consider the behavior pathetic but not the person. You seem focused on that.

To me self-righteous is devaluing other people, not just what they believe in or agree with. I have no problem with people saying "mormonism is stupid, I hate mormonism, mormonism is wrong, mormonism is crazy", but to me it is self-righteous to say "mormons are stupid, mormons are crazy".

But we might have different definitions of that word.

 

[Hantlers]

Is Mormonism a real religion? Yes. It therefore cannot be fake. You may not believe the teachings are correct or true but Mormonism is a real religion and certainly not fake. I think this is the source of Colton's ire. To say it is fake would indicate that there is nothing real about his religion. That it is fake from top to bottom and that he is a fool for believing in any of it.

You would be better served to say that you don't believe what they teach is true. You know, crazy stuff like family unity, service to others and healthy living. That's some crazy *** **** right there!

Meh, most other "religions" teach that crazy stuff like family unity as well. My issue is how it seems like every 5 years there's a holy prophecy that allows things to change, ala the whole black people can join the church now. Or the fact that when Joseph Smith "wrote" the BoM it was filled with translation errors from the King James Bible at the time. I also find it interesting that Mormon's find a way to believe in both the Bible and the BoM, considering they have certain differing view points. Just my opinion though.

 

[CONAN]

This is ONE example of your previous self righteous behavior that I believe warranted that response. Most Mormons aren't like that, but that attitude is very abrasive and the exact reason SOME people are anti-lds.

Oh so you're a pothead. Now things are making sense. Nothing you quoted is self-righteous. Did it hit home and/or was it abrasive? That is more likely. But I don't see anywhere there where I said I was better than you. Keep trying though, Pothead. Looks like you've been waiting to unload on me for awhile lol.

 

[Agoxlea]

So, disagreement with you = self-righteous? Or is it belief that morality in some form is important = self-righteous? Or is it belief that something that you agree with is immoral = self-righteous? I read statements of disagreement in what Conan said, but nothing truly self-righteous. He even said he wouldn't judge the person, but the behavior and make a call on that.



To me self-righteous is devaluing other people, not just what they believe in or agree with. I have no problem with people saying "mormonism is stupid, I hate mormonism, mormonism is wrong, mormonism is crazy", but to me it is self-righteous to say "mormons are stupid, mormons are crazy".

But we might have different definitions of that word.

Maybe I've known too many people like that in my life and I'm just projecting, but to me Conan seems exactly like that specific self righteous type of Mormon. I don't think Mormons are stupid or crazy, but there is a small fraction of Mormons I find that are really smug about their moral high ground. Conan, to me, seems like one of those that is pretty smug about his beliefs. There are clearly a lot of LDS members in here and a lot of people that have a different set of morals than I, but I haven't called anyone self righteous except Conan. I'm not saying Mormons are self righteous. I'm saying Conan specifically seems that way to me.

 

[Agoxlea]

Oh so you're a pothead. Now things are making sense. Nothing you quoted is self-righteous. Did it hit home and/or was it abrasive? That is more likely. But I don't see anywhere there where I said I was better than you. Keep trying though, Pothead. Looks like you've been waiting to unload on me for awhile lol.

It's EXACTLY that smug attitude I'm talking about. That just happened to be an example where you claim your morals are better than others' morals.

self-right·eous   [self-rahy-chuhs, self-]
adjective
confident of one's own righteousness, especially when smugly moralistic and intolerant of the opinions and behavior of others.

 

[NUMBERICA]

So you love BYU? Interesting way of showing it in posts I've seen from you but okey dokey.

Okay, so you can only either love BYU or hate it.

This doesn't really tell me anything new about the breadth or depth of your comprehension.

 

[NUMBERICA]

Oh so you're a pothead. Now things are making sense. Nothing you quoted is self-righteous. Did it hit home and/or was it abrasive? That is more likely. But I don't see anywhere there where I said I was better than you. Keep trying though, Pothead. Looks like you've been waiting to unload on me for awhile lol.

It never fails to astound me that the guy that wears his belief in a compassionate savior on his sleeve most is also the most aggressive and pea-brained dickhead I've ever seen on this site.

Or maybe hoping someone gets shanked for smoking pot is totally reasonable.

Let me know when you're ready to have that lift off. I promise to not press charges.

 

[LogGrad98]

Meh, most other "religions" teach that crazy stuff like family unity as well. My issue is how it seems like every 5 years there's a holy prophecy that allows things to change, ala the whole black people can join the church now. Or the fact that when Joseph Smith "wrote" the BoM it was filled with translation errors from the King James Bible at the time. I also find it interesting that Mormon's find a way to believe in both the Bible and the BoM, considering they have certain differing view points. Just my opinion though.

Yeah that's crazy. After all there is not one thing different in today's society, or the world at all for that matter, compared to, say 3rd century BC Jews. Everyone is always exactly identical all the time for all of history.

As someone who has done a LOT of presentations, and prepared many documents meant to instruct, inspire or gain consensus, to me it makes sense to tailor a message to the audience.

 

[LogGrad98]

It never fails to astound me that the guy that wears his belief in a compassionate savior on his sleeve most is also the most aggressive and pea-brained dickhead I've ever seen on this site.

Or maybe hoping someone gets shanked for smoking pot is totally reasonable.

Let me know when you're ready to have that lift off. I promise to not press charges.

You have a very short memory.