unluckyseventeen
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If you're talking about individual players, I don't see what the point is of comparing their team's records. Basketball comes down to much more than what one person on a team is doing.
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Hopper
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When it comes to point guards, overall team play is a measure. Deron has often said that his only job, as a point guard, is to help the team win games (not rack up points, assists, or rebounds, per se).
unluckyseventeen
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Isn't that everyone's job? Help the team win?
It seems to obscure to pin a team's success so greatly on one particular position in basketball. It's not like an NBA PG has nearly as much responsibility for their team winning as a Goalie in Hockey, QB in Football or Pitcher in Baseball. An NBA PG's job is essentially to make decisions within their offense that either get points for themselves or somebody else. There's still the other factors of people being in the right spots, making shots, playing defense and other players also making those same good decisions. The PG is a little more responsible, offensively, than any other player on the floor (but even that is obscure when considering starting PGs like Ron Harper/Steve Kerr, Paxson, Sam Cassell/Kenny Smith all won multiple rings from the PG position but were hardly the backbone or even the initiators of their offense), but team success should play a minor role in determining their quality as a player in comparison to their individual abilities.
I guess my argument also fits into disagreeing with the notion of "lets measure the career of a player by how many Championships their team won", because a team wins a Championship, not a player or two. They might have an influence on that, but without quality teammates a single player isn't going to win anything.
If you want to talk about their role vs one another, then the best numbers to look at are their effectiveness on usage of possessions, rather than what their team's record is. Either way, it's still going to be apples and oranges and people will say whatever player they like best is the better player.
Hopper
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I tend to agree, and I only said wins are "a" measure (not "the" measure). That said, it's much easier for one-on-one scorers, for example, to put up big numbers on a bad team than it is for a point guard to get assists on that team. So the overall quality of the team you're on, and the position you play, will affect your "numbers," if that's what people go by (and most do).