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[freakazoid]

. Showing other owners more vivid how shameless tanking will hurt the league.

What's the difference between shameless tanking and acceptable tanking? I'm curious where people think that line is drawn.

 

[Stifle Tower]

And where is the line between rebuilding and tanking?

Sorry, I see a Philadelphia franchise committed to their young players, and refusing to outbid other teams for mid-tier FA's who would play in front of those youngsters. After the butt-kicking they took in Dallas, they came back and almost won at Houston.

Philadelphia got something for their veterans at the trade deadline; Utah just let theirs walk without getting any compensation. Which is the smarter team?

 

[freakazoid]

And where is the line between rebuilding and tanking?

Sorry, I see a Philadelphia franchise committed to their young players, and refusing to outbid other teams for mid-tier FA's who would play in front of those youngsters. After the butt-kicking they took in Dallas, they came back and almost won at Houston.

Philadelphia got something for their veterans at the trade deadline; Utah just let theirs walk without getting any compensation. Which is the smarter team?

Exactly. As long as games aren't being lost on purpose, then shameful tanking/smart rebuild is just a matter of perspective. There's nothing wrong with tearing a team down when you reach time to rebuild. There are no rules about having to try to build around mediocre players. There is no nobility in a slow rebuild.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

And where is the line between rebuilding and tanking?

Sorry, I see a Philadelphia franchise committed to their young players, and refusing to outbid other teams for mid-tier FA's who would play in front of those youngsters. After the butt-kicking they took in Dallas, they came back and almost won at Houston.

Philadelphia got something for their veterans at the trade deadline; Utah just let theirs walk without getting any compensation. Which is the smarter team?

Utah.

Philly's team is awful and this experiment isn't going to work.

 

[freakazoid]

Philly's team is awful and this experiment isn't going to work.

Kinda like how GS was stupid and now they have a losing culture they can't shake.

 

[BTP]

What's the difference between shameless tanking and acceptable tanking? I'm curious where people think that line is drawn.

The thing is revenue sharing. Philly is the 3rd/4th/5th biggest market in the league and contributes NOTHING. They sport a team that couldn't win a BO5 vs a EuroLeague quarterfinalist and would prolly lose 3/10 games vs EuroCup final round teams.

Philly's games are so distastefully bad that it also causes other teams to charge less for the Philly games because no one cares to watch them.
If you're this openly tanking that hurts the league's revenue and that's why Cuban is pissed. I mean there's other tanking candidates. But you know they build culture and preserve illusion that's good for both the system and the game itself. Other tanking campaigns had the goal to be bad. This one's goal is to be THE WORST. That's the problem.

 

[Duck Rodgers]

Remember how bad OKC was? Philly is going to be ok. Why pick up a washed-up vet to just delay the development of the young players. Wasn't that our complaint about Corbin? Was Utah better off by picking up RJ to get minutes over a player who is actually going to be with the team in the future? Yes, it will be a long couple of years, but I think Noel, Embiid, Wroten, MKG and McDaniels is a pretty good core. Add a top-3 player this year and they're good to go, supplementing with vets when it's time to start pushing for the playoffs in a couple years.

Your problem is you seem to think their core is worth building around. I'm not seeing it. There's been lots of trade rumor talk over MCW over the years, so Philly might not even like him also. 90% of these guys they are "developing" won't be around in a few years. Where's Philly's Kevin Durant, Westbrook, Harden since you wanted to make that comparison? The talent levels they are working with are worlds apart.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Kinda like how GS was stupid and now they have a losing culture they can't shake.

No, kind of like how their team is laughably devoid of talent outside of 3 players. Hard to develop those 3 pieces when you can't even play NBA level basketball. The Warriors tanked, especially at the end, but never like this.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Your problem is you seem to think their core is worth building around. I'm not seeing it. There's been lots of trade rumor talk over MCW over the years, so Philly might not even like him also. 90% of these guys they are "developing" won't be around in a few years. Where's Philly's Kevin Durant, Westbrook, Harden since you wanted to make that comparison? The talent levels they are working with are worlds apart.

If Embiid can get healthy, then he is a great piece.

Also really like Saric, whenever he is coming over.

I really hope they start signing FA next year though.

 

[BTP]

Your problem is you seem to think their core is worth building around. I'm not seeing it. There's been lots of trade rumor talk over MCW over the years, so Philly might not even like him also. 90% of these guys they are "developing" won't be around in a few years. Where's Philly's Kevin Durant, Westbrook, Harden since you wanted to make that comparison? The talent levels they are working with are worlds apart.

Embiid has a special talent level. Just look at how rapidly he developed. He stays healthy he'll be very good.

 

[freakazoid]

The thing is revenue sharing. Philly is the 3rd/4th/5th biggest market in the league and contributes NOTHING. They sport a team that couldn't win a BO5 vs a EuroLeague quarterfinalist and would prolly lose 3/10 games vs EuroCup final round teams.

Philly's games are so distastefully bad that it also causes other teams to charge less for the Philly games because no one cares to watch them.
If you're this openly tanking that hurts the league's revenue and that's why Cuban is pissed. I mean there's other tanking candidates. But you know they build culture and preserve illusion that's good for both the system and the game itself. Other tanking campaigns had the goal to be bad. This one's goal is to be THE WORST. That's the problem.

I can guarantee when it comes time for Dallas to rebuild, Cuban will do whatever he has to, to get his team back on top as soon as possible. As for your statements about Philly, ticket sales in opponents arenas are really no different than any other really bad team. I'd be interested in hearing exactly which moves they've made that are so much worse than any other tanking team. Where, exactly, is this line between acceptable tanking, and unacceptable tanking? It sounds like you believe tanking is ok, just as long as you don't do a good job at it.

No, kind of like how their team is laughably devoid of talent outside of 3 players. Hard to develop those 3 pieces when you can't even play NBA level basketball. The Warriors tanked, especially at the end, but never like this.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I took your post as a comment on tanking, not personnel. If I'm wrong, then you must be fine with their rebuild, had they only acquired different players. Is this the case? If not, I gotta say that the comments about GS were basically the same. Shameful way to build a team, won't work, losing culture will take hold, etc.
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Also, as far as Utah being smarter, overall that is probably true. However, if you're talking about how our rebuild started, Utah could have been smarter. Our rebuild should have begun the minute Deron was traded. Timing is everything in a rebuild, and hesitating to accept the situation can burn you, which IMO, is exactly what happened to Utah. Trading Deron when they did was brilliant, but the failure to follow up by dumping Al or Sap for pick/s was a mistake that has set this rebuild back, IMO.
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How about GS. Would you consider their FO to be smart?

 

[Hantlers]

If Embiid can get healthy, then he is a great piece.

Also really like Saric, whenever he is coming over.

I really hope they start signing FA next year though.

I would trade Kanter for Saric, but I doubt they would. He would be an ideal stretch 4, although his lack of length would hurt on defense and rebounding. I really love Saric though.