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Rookie Coach vs. Rookie Coach: How did they stack up?

I'm going to do exactly what I did with Corbin, about Quin.

I will be patient with him for at least 2 years which in this season he gets a complete green card for everything from me. Even for the most basic and stupid coaching mistakes. Next year I would speak my more general concerns with him and with the third year I would criticize him ruthlessly if he really turns out to be alike to Corbin.
 
Look at Burks shooting in the 2nd and 4th quarters...... god awful. He might be a huge reason for our struggles in the 2nd quarter.

Burks shoots 31% in the 2nd and 23% in the 4th.

Ouch. But at least i bet he doesn't take many shots in those quarters...... hell he doesn't take many shots per game in general

So yes, those numbers are horrible but at least he is not being a high volume chucker like alot of people thought he would be.
 
It's tiresome. Most respected posters felt that Ty Corbin was mediocre. He wasn't bad, but he wasn't great either. The offensive system that he installed last season seems to pale in comparison to this one, in terms if how it fits our players. Our defense from last season was incoherent all season long-- we are not doing well defensively this year, but Quin has time to prove himself. His player development was good. These are all statements that have been said many times--


Bandwagon fallacy. There aren't any professionals here anyway and all our opinions are pretty much worthless bull ****. Claiming that you're right because a bunch of armchair commenters agree with you is pretty lame.


yet you feel the need to beat this dead horse until kingdom come for the sake of who, 3 #FireTy trolls?

I suppose I should create 10,000 Fire Trey threads a day like your alt HighlandHarris. My god that alt is obnoxious. Would you let that cancer die already?


It's ****ing pathetic that we're still talking about Ty Corbin.

You're the only one talking Corbin in this thread. Good job derailing it feeling like a victim of my trolling.

You're an idiot if you think the offense looks good this year. It's trash. The only thing that's held it together is Hayward putting up HOFer efficiency, and shooting double his career mid-range percentage. The defense is awful, and last night's coaching was pathetic. All that with an extra year of player development to work upon but Quin hasn't been able to do much with it and a team built without holes.
 
I have not been impressed by Quinn. This game shouldn't have been as close as it was if it were better coaching imo. And he was always playing Exum with either sh*t lineups, played him as a SG, or had Burks/Hayward play PG instead. I'm pretty sure this game didn't develop Dante at all. It probably just solidified in Dante's mind that he needs to become a better shooter before he can have any real impact when put in these types of situations.

I think we all need to relax. Quin knows more about Basketball than you and I combined times at least 10ish
 
Look at Burks shooting in the 2nd and 4th quarters...... god awful. He might be a huge reason for our struggles in the 2nd quarter.

Burks shoots 31% in the 2nd and 23% in the 4th.

Not a big deal... Burks plays most of his time without Hayward in the First and Third Quaters... That us when we need he to play well, while Hayward is on the bench!!
 
Bandwagon fallacy. There aren't any professionals here anyway and all our opinions are pretty much worthless bull ****. Claiming that you're right because a bunch of armchair commenters agree with you is pretty lame.




I suppose I should create 10,000 Fire Trey threads a day like your alt HighlandHarris. My god that alt is obnoxious. Would you let that cancer die already?




You're the only one talking Corbin in this thread. Good job derailing it feeling like a victim of my trolling.

You're an idiot if you think the offense looks good this year. It's trash. The only thing that's held it together is Hayward putting up HOFer efficiency, and shooting double his career mid-range percentage. The defense is awful, and last night's coaching was pathetic. All that with an extra year of player development to work upon but Quin hasn't been able to do much with it and a team built without holes.


Have you considered the notion that Maybe Hayward is putting up better numbers because of the Spacing? It's better than last season and to say otherwise would seem shaq'tin a fool material. Can we at least entertain the thought that Quin has put Favors and Hayward in a better position to succeed.
Can't we also entertain the notion that This team believes they can win games and believes in Quin? And does it carry any weight that Hayward has bought into Quin but lost faith in Corbin? His body language is after all much better this year.

But wait, You are Franklin. You use Jazzfanz as a venue by which you can display your elite ability to destroy axioms with one stroke of celestial Wit. I have considered you an apostate version of John the beloved. Either that, or a bored version just waiting to be translated. In any case, what you are does not matter in any degree close to what you do. accept my homage as I bow before your avatar and simply relinquish all my arguments as I stand in awe of your ability to advocate honorably those causes which I could not have the courage to take up.

But wait, Corbin over Snyder?? To Champion that cause seems beyond even the divine.
 
Bandwagon fallacy. There aren't any professionals here anyway and all our opinions are pretty much worthless bull ****. Claiming that you're right because a bunch of armchair commenters agree with you is pretty lame.

This reminds me of Millsapa/PearlWatson telling me that my opinions had no credence when on the topic of evolution-- as I disputed the claims made by a creationist with a PhD in Biochemistry. You're in great company.

It's almost as rich as the basketball minds who claim that coaches who've never played in the league can't coach in the league. Or when Ty Corbin said those from the media who questioned his tactics had no right to question him, as they had never been in his position before. To anyone with any intellectual honesty (which typically includes yourself-- not sure what's happening today), it's common to assess the arguments of someone completely based on the actual points they are bringing forth. It doesn't matter whether it comes from the son of a HOFer, a HOFer himself, or some 21 year old from Canada. If Kwame brown joins this forum and says that the three-pointer is useless in contemporary basketball, are we to value his opinions above every 'non-professional', as you say? If you want to, then go on right ahead. I won't bother.

Speaking of which: what's your claim to being right? Are you more of a professional than me? Have you played in the league? Have you coached in the league? Pointing fingers at armchair-commenters being wrong is a cute exercise in irony, I'm afraid.


I suppose I should create 10,000 Fire Trey threads a day like your alt HighlandHarris. My god that alt is obnoxious. Would you let that cancer die already?

2/10 trolljob, nice attempt. Haven't had a single alt since Sandy Braille. In fact, I don't think I ever, once, ever suggested that the Jazz fire Ty. I was completely against it. Go ahead and try to prove me wrong.




You're the only one talking Corbin in this thread. Good job derailing it feeling like a victim of my trolling.

Sure, maybe not this thread. But I would bet the last 5 Corbin-threads have either been started by yourself, or feature heavy amounts of posts by yourself. Hence, your opinions tend to be tightly tethered to the vindication of Ty Corbin. It's like fishon with Burks (though he's admittedly gotten better-- let's hope you follow suit). We can't take your posts seriously because it all fits into your ongoing Ty vindication that literally no one cares about.

You're an idiot if you think the offense looks good this year. It's trash. The only thing that's held it together is Hayward putting up HOFer efficiency, and shooting double his career mid-range percentage. The defense is awful, and last night's coaching was pathetic. All that with an extra year of player development to work upon but Quin hasn't been able to do much with it and a team built without holes.

Every single player has commented positively on the direction that Quin has taken on offense. Ball don't lie, my brother. 12th in APG, 19th best offense in the league. This is with their starting PG shooting 30% from the field, and one of the tougher starts in the league, with a new coach and the second youngest team in the league (IIRC). Sure, Gordon is putting all-star stats-- but Burke is also putting up conversely-terrible stats. Is there a starting PG shooting worse so far this season? Cute that you ignore that-- but par for the course.
 
Look, I have no care in engaging this pissing match.

The biggest difference between my Burke-love and your Corbin-trolling is:

a) Burke is still on this team, so my opinions are more relevant than yours
b) 99% of my Burke-trolling is over-dramatic and tongue-in-cheek.
c) I am super willing, ready, and I DO offer criticism on Burke quite regularly.


Support for Burke before last night was just as sparse as support for Ty-- yet I still supported him, and I STILL didn't ruffle peoples feathers like you did. Why? Because I'm a reasonable poster who doesn't intentionally attach a trolling slant to every ****ing post I make. I make a few Photoshops and "blackJesus" posts that are blatantly in good fun, and I conduct myself maturely. The proof is in the pudding-- try and find a TENTH of the amount of posters who have as big of a problem with my Burke love than they do with your Ty love.

Meanwhile you're calling me insults, lying about negreps that I leave you, leaving petty rep comments, and generally posting in a senile fashion.

Grow the **** up, or stop posting. I'm serious. I'm done with this thread, and I'm done talking about Ty Corbin with you. You know how I feel about him, and you know how I feel about your posts about him. I don't see any point in engaging you any further.
 
Since I highly suspect "boobs" is a franklin alt, I don't think he has the right to criticize anyone else's ****ty alts. :p
 
This reminds me of Millsapa/PearlWatson telling me that my opinions had no credence when on the topic of evolution-- as I disputed the claims made by a creationist with a PhD in Biochemistry. You're in great company.

It's almost as rich as the basketball minds who claim that coaches who've never played in the league can't coach in the league. Or when Ty Corbin said those from the media who questioned his tactics had no right to question him, as they had never been in his position before. To anyone with any intellectual honesty (which typically includes yourself-- not sure what's happening today), it's common to assess the arguments of someone completely based on the actual points they are bringing forth. It doesn't matter whether it comes from the son of a HOFer, a HOFer himself, or some 21 year old from Canada. If Kwame brown joins this forum and says that the three-pointer is useless in contemporary basketball, are we to value his opinions above every 'non-professional', as you say? If you want to, then go on right ahead. I won't bother.


That's your defense for claiming something is right because the majority OF RESPECTED POSTERS say so dude? You know what I said about us all being a bunch of bull ****ters is true so don't bust my balls with that ****.


Speaking of which: what's your claim to being right?

I'm always right about my Jazz predictions. Find one that has been off. Read all the current threads with everyone sucking my predictions off right now. My track record is impeccable. Sorry?



Are you more of a professional than me? Have you played in the league? Have you coached in the league? Pointing fingers at armchair-commenters being wrong is a cute exercise in irony, I'm afraid.

I included myself.



Every single player has commented positively on the direction that Quin has taken on offense. Ball don't lie, my brother. 12th in APG, 19th best offense in the league. This is with their starting PG shooting 30% from the field, and one of the tougher starts in the league, with a new coach and the second youngest team in the league (IIRC). Sure, Gordon is putting all-star stats-- but Burke is also putting up conversely-terrible stats. Is there a starting PG shooting worse so far this season? Cute that you ignore that-- but par for the course.

Imagine that. Give kids the latitude to chuck and they'll love you. Snyder's system is better because a bunch of very young men are excited about a new coach and a new system after playing behind vets for several years. I'm sure nobody else in their position would be surprised. I'm also sure their PR coaches have told them to comment negatively about the style changes.

Speaking of forgetting things, I noticed you didn't include Favors playing very well or Booker's dynamic contributions in your analysis or Kanter not completely hurting the team for once. It's only Angel Hayward's play and Devil Burke's play that matters amiright.
 
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Look, I have no care in engaging this pissing match.

The biggest difference between my Burke-love and your Corbin-trolling is:

a) Burke is still on this team, so my opinions are more relevant than yours
b) 99% of my Burke-trolling is over-dramatic and tongue-in-cheek.
c) I am super willing, ready, and I DO offer criticism on Burke quite regularly.


Support for Burke before last night was just as sparse as support for Ty-- yet I still supported him, and I STILL didn't ruffle peoples feathers like you did. Why? Because I'm a reasonable poster who doesn't intentionally attach a trolling slant to every ****ing post I make. I make a few Photoshops and "blackJesus" posts that are blatantly in good fun, and I conduct myself maturely. The proof is in the pudding-- try and find a TENTH of the amount of posters who have as big of a problem with my Burke love than they do with your Ty love.

Meanwhile you're calling me insults, lying about negreps that I leave you, leaving petty rep comments, and generally posting in a senile fashion.

Grow the **** up, or stop posting. I'm serious. I'm done with this thread, and I'm done talking about Ty Corbin with you. You know how I feel about him, and you know how I feel about your posts about him. I don't see any point in engaging you any further.


"Don't talk about subjects that I don't want to discuss". What a dick.
 
That's your defense for claiming something is right because the majority say so dude? You know what I said about us all being a bunch of bull ****ters is true so don't bust my balls with that ****.

How about you quote me properly when you discuss my post? Did I say 'majority'-- or did I say 'majority of respectable posters'?

Both are not the same. Respectable posters with respectable, consistently opinions are not in the majority. Don't slander my posts with your inaccuracies. You're making a fool of yourself, and losing any respectable reputation you once had. "Don't bust my balls" with your inability to read, pops.




I'm always right about my Jazz predictions. Find one that has been off. Read all the current threads with everyone sucking my predictions off right now. My track record is impeccable. Sorry?


I'll list a couple.

Does anyone see [Thomas] Robinson > Kanter?


https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?16749-First-Round-Bust-Predictions&highlight=hayward

^ the only players you selected as "Bust as in out of the league in very short order. Or maybe something like Jeremy Evans 2nd round lingering role for a first rounder." were Mason Plumlee and Kelly Olynyk. 0/2. Plumlee basically hit Jeremy's career high in minutes in his rookie season. Lol @ O-Clinic.



https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?16311-Give-Smoove-Just-Under-The-Max&highlight=hayward

I really want this guy. Can you imagine the possibilities of Kanter-Favors-Smoove? BEAST. Go big go block party or go small...

I really wish he could run a three but consensus is that's about as effective as Millsap @ 3.

So he's not max money but he's this years Z-Bo, who nobody wanted to pay to beast. The nice thing about slightly overpaying is you can structure it with front loads so if the fit doesn't work you can always trade him next year to the team who wanted him for a mill less.

https://jazzfanz.com/showthread.php?12619-Kevin-Murphy-Might-Be-Legit-Thread

Saw some stuff tonight I haven't seen in other rooks/sophs. Wait and see, but [Kevin Murphy] looks like he actually has adaptable talent.
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I included myself.

I guess I'll have to wait until Kelly puts up Jeremy Evans numbers for the rest of his career (newsflash: it's not happening).

I didn't bother to include your "if we draft Exum i'll slit my wrists" threads, or your Brandon Rush > Burks posts, or your "MKG is Andre Iguodala 2.0" posts. I figured 2-3 would be enough, Mr. Professional. I hope this isn't too devastating for you.





Imagine that. Give kids the latitude to chuck and they'll love you. Snyder's system is better because a bunch of very young men are excited about a new coach and a new system after playing behind vets for several years. I'm sure nobody else in their position would be surprised. I'm also sure their PR coaches have told them to comment negatively about the style changes.

Speaking of forgetting things, I noticed you didn't include Favors playing very well or Booker's dynamic contributions in your analysis or Kanter not completely hurting the team for once. It's only Angel Hayward's play and Devil Burke's play that matters amiright.

Why would I not include them? their play only boosts my point, and refutes yours. Thanks for doing your work for me.












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I realize that I wasn't supposed to post in this thread any longer, but the whole "FIND A POST WHERE I'M WRONG" call was simply irresistible. Solid baiting, frank.
 
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