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Rumor: Favors and Hayward for D'angello Russell and the #2 pick?

Would you trade Hayward and Favors for Russell and Ingram/Simmons?

  • Yes!

    Votes: 13 36.1%

  • No! I want the playoffs next year, and am fine with never winning a championship.

    Votes: 23 63.9%
  • Total voters
    36
Crocodile Dante said:
Because the team would be very young struggle a lot in games then win the lottery
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Pretty sure that was the idea in 2013, and they were on schedule to do that until Burke healed and they inexplicably took JL3 out of the starting lineup. 99% of the time there is always someone ****tier than the Jazz are (and then they traded the pick that would've been Magic Johnson.)
 
Kevin Pelton addressed questions about Jazz possibly trading Hayward and Favors to Lakers for #2 three times in his June 10 chat:

"I cannot see the incentive for Utah to make this trade."

"I guess I don't understand where this supposed Utah interest in the No. 2 pick is coming from. The Jazz are finally about to make several years of rebuilding pay off. Why would they reset that process now?"

"I think the median scenario for Brandon Ingram is about as good as Gordon Hayward is now, and that's years down the line. The upside of trading for the No. 2 pick is the cap space it creates, and the Jazz are not well positioned to take advantage of said cap space."

Thanks, Kevin.
 
idiot said:
Kevin Pelton addressed questions about Jazz possibly trading Hayward and Favors to Lakers for #2 three times in his June 10 chat:

"I cannot see the incentive for Utah to make this trade."

"I guess I don't understand where this supposed Utah interest in the No. 2 pick is coming from. The Jazz are finally about to make several years of rebuilding pay off. Why would they reset that process now?"

"I think the median scenario for Brandon Ingram is about as good as Gordon Hayward is now, and that's years down the line. The upside of trading for the No. 2 pick is the cap space it creates, and the Jazz are not well positioned to take advantage of said cap space."

Thanks, Kevin.
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Kevin Pelton is way smarter than 99% of Jazzfanz.

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ESPN just came out with a statistically based draft projection which can be found here. Ingram came out as the top prospect.

Take it for what it's worth, but I think it's a useful reminder of how statistically unlikely it is for any individual player even at the top of drafts to become all-stars (and the odds of being the kind of star that Jazz fans are clamoring for are surely much lower). Nobody in this draft has even more than a 50% likelihood of surpassing the bench/bust categories.

Player Projections
[numbers below are %likelihood of becoming all-star, starter, bench player, bust, respectively]
1. Brandon Ingram 25 24 26 26
2. Kris Dunn 18 21 34 26
3. Jakob Poeltl 12 32 41 16
4. Ben Simmons 25 20 20 35
5. Marquese Chriss 21 23 25 31
6. Jamal Murray 20 21 25 34

In line with what I quoted from Pelton in my post above, I don't think the odds of at least one of Favors and Hayward becoming an all-star are any worse than Ingram's.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I would ship that package out for Porzingis. But the Knicks say no... right?
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I would assume so unless they want to make a big push in FA for someone to pair with Melo/Hayward. Melo/Hayward would be a weird fit from the get-go though.
 
NUMBERICA said:
I would ship that package out for Porzingis. But the Knicks say no... right?
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Porzingis would be amazing, but I would only trade those two for a wing. I would trade them for the right wing in a heartbeat, but I have a ton of faith in a Lyles/Gobert future frontcourt.
 
King Cy said:
I would assume so unless they want to make a big push in FA for someone to pair with Melo/Hayward. Melo/Hayward would be a weird fit from the get-go though.
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Odd. I think Hayward with Melo might be exactly what they both need.
 
Our cap room is really gonna be a double-edged sword. We'll have the cap room to sign out guys to pretty much whatever terms they want. But like I said, we'll have the cap room to sign these guys to whatever terms they want.
 
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