Rumor: Favors and Hayward for D'angello Russell and the #2 pick?

[framer]

That team has all of the good players this team has, just with additional better ones. Exum isn't going to save us. Sorry.

Your post and others of its ilk make no sense. Unless your point is that Dante Exum is going to save the team.

False, rolling with green's treadmill team constricts us from developing youth. Look at Phoenix. The held on to redundant talent, and when that went south, they kept trading away pieces in order to "take the next step" and it blew up in their faces. If they had stood pat and trusted their youth, they would be in a better spot now. They signed another redundant player in IT because "value." and it didn't do anything for them. They had no real vision, and because they invested in trading for vets, they had to acquire "win now" pieces when they were in no situation to win now. To think the Jazz would have went with Hood or Gobert in that situation is ludicrous. We would have traded the assets for a better bench to compliment the playoff run, exactly like we did with the Al Jefferson teams.

We had just watched several episodes of that show, it was time to turn the channel. . .

 

[BENTLEY]

Good morning fellow Jazz fans. This is my first post in this forum, but I've been a Jazz fan for years and years.

This trade idea is a little far fetched, but I like it. I'd do it in a heartbeat. I love Hayward and all, but he's practically on a one year deal. He'd be pretty stupid to pick up his player option next summer when he knows he can probably get a bigger, longer deal from Utah or another team. Most importantly, I don't think he would give us a deal to stay. He's already shown that he's not willing to do that last time his contract ran out. So really, would we even consider giving Hayward $21+ a year in a new contract next summer? I don't think we should. He's a good player who can do everything. But the problem is that he doesn't do anything at an elite level. Nothing. And I feel that is what you pay players max money to do. Be elite...

As for Favors, I like him but we have to start putting together a roster that makes sense. He's a guy who would help us in the season, but I think he's a mismatch against us in the post season. I'd much rather get value for him now and play Lyles than try to make him work out while slowing the development of Lyles. In my personal opinion, Lyles is the future of the PF position of the NBA and Favors is the past. Flexibility and comprehensive skill sets are absolutely key with regards to big men. Unless a big man is a "unicorn" defensively like Gobert, their place in the playoffs is nullified. Look at D'Andre Jordan, Blake Griffen, Ibaka and so many other big men on massive contracts who don't really serve as game changers in the playoffs. Those guys are great to have, but you can't build around them for long playoff runs.

We have a bunch of good players right now but probably not any stars unless Hood, Exum or Lyles truly emerge. We do know for a fact that Hayward is very good and Favors is good but neither are game changing stars. So yes, I would trade Favors, Hayward and even #12 for Russell and #2. I would do it and not think twice. There is a very good chance that either or both of those guys end up being game changers.

Go Jazz

Good first post, friend. I agree with your sentiments on Hayward, but Favors I differ. Favors is such a bargain AND might continue to be - I think he likes it here. He's good both sides of the ball. The knock on him is he isn't an angry alpha. He's chill. But talented. = not elite money.

So I'd be fine with this trade if you took out Favors and let L.A. keep Russell.
Hayward for Ingram. I'm all for that.

 

[Gameface]

Good first post, friend. I agree with your sentiments on Hayward, but Favors I differ. Favors is such a bargain AND might continue to be - I think he likes it here. He's good both sides of the ball. The knock on him is he isn't an angry alpha. He's chill. But talented. = not elite money.

So I'd be fine with this trade if you took out Favors and let L.A. keep Russell.
Hayward for Ingram. I'm all for that.

So for a pro-athlete to be elite they need a mental/personality disorder?

 

[LoPo]

Good first post, friend. I agree with your sentiments on Hayward, but Favors I differ. Favors is such a bargain AND might continue to be - I think he likes it here. He's good both sides of the ball. The knock on him is he isn't an angry alpha. He's chill. But talented. = not elite money.

So I'd be fine with this trade if you took out Favors and let L.A. keep Russell.
Hayward for Ingram. I'm all for that.

Thank you. I appreciate it.

I like Favors and he is a good player, but I really think that Lyles can be a special player. We simply cannot invest in three bigs for the future because this league is absolutely dominated by wings and PG's. It just doesn't work if you spend that much cap on bigs. In addition, we didn't handle the Millsap situation all that well (Booz then start then SF then Favors then let him walk), and I don't want to do the same with Lyles. Gobert is so unique, and I feel that Lyles compliments Gobert so much better in the long term. Like you said, Favors is on a bargain deal and he's still young. With Lyles emergence, I have a feeling that this summer will be the height of Favors' trade value. He can still be perceived as having "potential" instead of being in that place where "he is what he is".

 

[Park Bites]

Imagine a possible team of

Exum, neto
Russell, burks?????
Ingram, hood
Giles, lyles
Gobert, maker?????

That would be one hell of a team. A team that would compete for a championship for a while.

 

[Park Bites]

Or this team

Exum, neto
Russell, burks???? Or a free agent signing
Tatum, hood
Simmons, lyles
Gobert, maker or another center from 2016 #12 and or a free agent

 

[Hekate]

I don't mind this trade at all. Also think its more in our favor than Lakers'.

 

[Jazz4ever]

Imagine a possible team of

Exum, neto
Russell, burks?????
Ingram, hood
Giles, lyles
Gobert, maker?????

That would be one hell of a team. A team that would compete for a championship for a while.

How are we getting Giles? He is slated as the #1 pick in 2017!

 

[Rgiss]

Haywards going to command 30+ mill per year.....and get it.

We'll look back and laugh at things like this in a couple years. 30 Mill seems like a ton right now, but a year after the signing it will look like nothing. Just like how we were terrified of Kanter's deal, 16 Mill out of a 92 cap is like a 10 Mill deal on the old cap.

 

[Goodluckchuck]

Thank you. I appreciate it.

I like Favors and he is a good player, but I really think that Lyles can be a special player. We simply cannot invest in three bigs for the future because this league is absolutely dominated by wings and PG's. It just doesn't work if you spend that much cap on bigs. In addition, we didn't handle the Millsap situation all that well (Booz then start then SF then Favors then let him walk), and I don't want to do the same with Lyles. Gobert is so unique, and I feel that Lyles compliments Gobert so much better in the long term. Like you said, Favors is on a bargain deal and he's still young. With Lyles emergence, I have a feeling that this summer will be the height of Favors' trade value. He can still be perceived as having "potential" instead of being in that place where "he is what he is".

Good points. But one major thing that separates Favs from Lyles. And you can watch games to see it. Lyles is sloooow laterally on defense. Favs can pick up guards and move with them. The defense will suffer greatly until Lyles fixes this. Favs is out best interior defender. May not get many blocks but he makes the engine run.


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[LoPo]

Good points. But one major thing that separates Favs from Lyles. And you can watch games to see it. Lyles is sloooow laterally on defense. Favs can pick up guards and move with them. The defense will suffer greatly until Lyles fixes this. Favs is out best interior defender. May not get many blocks but he makes the engine run.


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True. He definitely has room for improvement. I feel like he will be our guy and maybe a future star by the start of the 2017 season. He's got work to do but all the tools to be scary good.

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[BENTLEY]

So for a pro-athlete to be elite they need a mental/personality disorder?

I'd guess most stars are narcissistic to some degree, yeah.