Rumor: Favors and Hayward for D'angello Russell and the #2 pick?
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Nothing alike other then light skinned and both went to OSU
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You're right, no one knows for sure. But Portland only won 44 games. I have to believe that if Exum and Burks had been as healthy as Lillard and McCollum we would have easily won 4 or 5 more games and been in the hunt for the 5 seed. By the way, Memphis was 11-18 after the all-star break and 5-15 after Conley went down. Their early season record carried them.
gregbroncs
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Puke. I'd much rather be where we are at now than rolling with that lineup. No future, no assets and no chance to be anything but what they already are.
green
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Our future right now is hoping Hood can become an above average starter, Gobert can gain any sort of offensive game, Lyles can turn into Boozer and Exum becomes a super star. That's not the greatest future. Compare that to our counterparts in the West:
Sacramento has Cousins.
New Orleans has Anthony Davis
Minnesota has KAT and Wiggins
The Lakers have Russell, cap space and the #2 pick.
Those are all teams below us that have brighter futures.
The Warriors aren't going anywhere. The Spurs have Aldrich and Leonard. Maybe the Thunder implode but as of right now they have Durrant and Westbrook. The Clippers have DAJ and Griffin. The Blazers have Lillard. The Rockets have Harden.
That puts us...where? 10th in potential future in the West?
Now, it isn't that bad. Favors and Hayward deserve to be mentioned. That being said, Minnesota, New Orleans, Sacramento, the Lakers, the Warriors, the Spurs, the Thunder, the Blazers, the Rockets, the Clippers all have better shots at a title than we do.
Hayward and Favors and Gobert and Hood aren't leading us to a title. If we win a title in the next 5-10 years, it is because of one thing:
Exum becomes a superstar.
He is our future. He is our only hope for a title.
That's why I've been saying this all along:
If you want playoffs, then sign a starting PG, a starting wing, and a backup big. We will be in the playoffs, no sweat.
If you want a title, then build around Exum. Use Hayward and Favors to get you more pieces around Exum.
Back to your post. You'd rather be where we are now than that lineup. That's ok. BUT, we'd had been in the playoffs a lot more the last five years than we have been with that lineup.
And we'd still have Gobert, Hood, Favors and Hayward and Burks as our "future". The only difference is that we traded Korver, Millsap, and Caroll for Exum.
Exum had better pan out. Two all stars and a top flight three and D guy for Exum. That's quite the trade. Exum had better pan out.
That team has all of the good players this team has, just with additional better ones. Exum isn't going to save us. Sorry.
Your post and others of its ilk make no sense. Unless your point is that Dante Exum is going to save the team.
As for this fake trade idea, yeah, I doubt it's good for either team. With Hayward on the cusp of unrestricted free agency and on a team that has consistently been sub-par, while Favors is as inconsistent as any "core" member of the team a player can be, in addition to not effectively spacing the floor, sounds pretty good to me I guess.
For the record, I am not in favor of a perpetual rebuild. 2017 could be a really ugly year for this franchise if this year is more like the last five years than the previous 25.
For the record, I am not in favor of a perpetual rebuild. 2017 could be a really ugly year for this franchise if this year is more like the last five years than the previous 25.
GVC
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What?
LoPo
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Good morning fellow Jazz fans. This is my first post in this forum, but I've been a Jazz fan for years and years.
This trade idea is a little far fetched, but I like it. I'd do it in a heartbeat. I love Hayward and all, but he's practically on a one year deal. He'd be pretty stupid to pick up his player option next summer when he knows he can probably get a bigger, longer deal from Utah or another team. Most importantly, I don't think he would give us a deal to stay. He's already shown that he's not willing to do that last time his contract ran out. So really, would we even consider giving Hayward $21+ a year in a new contract next summer? I don't think we should. He's a good player who can do everything. But the problem is that he doesn't do anything at an elite level. Nothing. And I feel that is what you pay players max money to do. Be elite...
As for Favors, I like him but we have to start putting together a roster that makes sense. He's a guy who would help us in the season, but I think he's a mismatch against us in the post season. I'd much rather get value for him now and play Lyles than try to make him work out while slowing the development of Lyles. In my personal opinion, Lyles is the future of the PF position of the NBA and Favors is the past. Flexibility and comprehensive skill sets are absolutely key with regards to big men. Unless a big man is a "unicorn" defensively like Gobert, their place in the playoffs is nullified. Look at D'Andre Jordan, Blake Griffen, Ibaka and so many other big men on massive contracts who don't really serve as game changers in the playoffs. Those guys are great to have, but you can't build around them for long playoff runs.
We have a bunch of good players right now but probably not any stars unless Hood, Exum or Lyles truly emerge. We do know for a fact that Hayward is very good and Favors is good but neither are game changing stars. So yes, I would trade Favors, Hayward and even #12 for Russell and #2. I would do it and not think twice. There is a very good chance that either or both of those guys end up being game changers.
Go Jazz
This trade idea is a little far fetched, but I like it. I'd do it in a heartbeat. I love Hayward and all, but he's practically on a one year deal. He'd be pretty stupid to pick up his player option next summer when he knows he can probably get a bigger, longer deal from Utah or another team. Most importantly, I don't think he would give us a deal to stay. He's already shown that he's not willing to do that last time his contract ran out. So really, would we even consider giving Hayward $21+ a year in a new contract next summer? I don't think we should. He's a good player who can do everything. But the problem is that he doesn't do anything at an elite level. Nothing. And I feel that is what you pay players max money to do. Be elite...
As for Favors, I like him but we have to start putting together a roster that makes sense. He's a guy who would help us in the season, but I think he's a mismatch against us in the post season. I'd much rather get value for him now and play Lyles than try to make him work out while slowing the development of Lyles. In my personal opinion, Lyles is the future of the PF position of the NBA and Favors is the past. Flexibility and comprehensive skill sets are absolutely key with regards to big men. Unless a big man is a "unicorn" defensively like Gobert, their place in the playoffs is nullified. Look at D'Andre Jordan, Blake Griffen, Ibaka and so many other big men on massive contracts who don't really serve as game changers in the playoffs. Those guys are great to have, but you can't build around them for long playoff runs.
We have a bunch of good players right now but probably not any stars unless Hood, Exum or Lyles truly emerge. We do know for a fact that Hayward is very good and Favors is good but neither are game changing stars. So yes, I would trade Favors, Hayward and even #12 for Russell and #2. I would do it and not think twice. There is a very good chance that either or both of those guys end up being game changers.
Go Jazz
ijazz
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Haywards going to command 30+ mill per year.....and get it.
LoPo
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And I hope like hell we're not the one paying him that much. I love the guy, but he's not worth a max contract at that rate. On a title contender, he's probably a 3rd option.