Duck Rodgers
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I think Tomic would have to come over this year for the trade to make any sense.
Rumor: Okur for Deng?
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I think Tomic would have to come over this year for the trade to make any sense.
TheMulletMutilator
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Tomic would have to come over this year for the drafting of Hayward to make sense. Oh and Jerry would have to play him. None of this rotting on the bench like he has done with players on the past.
d@!!0n0rcutt
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In the rumor it states that Chicago would like a "serviceable center", last time I checked I think with the timetable Okur is on he might still be in a walking boot, and that doesn't really ring serviceable center to my ears, lets face it we are stuck with Okur till he comes back from injury.
DWill_Gr8tness
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Lets hope that KOC can make something happen. With all of these rumors floating around I hope something happens to move some players and set them up better financially so they can get some key pieces.
InGameStrategy
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My sarcasm meter went off softly, but not enough to suspect that you might be serious. LOL at your example of Travis Hansen for justifying that Memo's career isn't over. Hansen makes a very nice living overseas--which is where Okur should be looking to play about now if the Jazz hadn't been stupid enough to renew his contract a year early when he was already showing signs of slowness and had been part of one of the worst-defending 4/5 starters in the NBA. Not even his "money 3" was worth re-signing him for eight figures, and this year only confirmed that Okur's Turkish Torero defense is matched only by Boozer's Matador D.
InGameStrategy
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And then we are stuck with Okur to actually play him :|.
Last season, the supposedly high-scoring MO barely outscored the opposing center,
and his on-court/off-court +/- was even worse than Boozer's.
In other words, the data makes sense.
https://www.82games.com/0910/0910UTA.HTM
Chances are that by the time Okur is healthy, Fes or whomever Utah brings in or even KK2 will show that they are better than Okur, except for the outside jumper, which is not the #1 or #2 or #3 job for a center anyway.
The new two-year Okur contract is more of a red flag to me (regarding the competency of the Jazz FO) than the Kirilenko signing and the rumored Boozer renewal now (unless they are gunning for a S&T). AK had come off an impressive season where although he wasn't an examplary shooter or finisher, at least the team exceeded expectations. And Boozer's defense is a deceptive liability, but he is pretty good in clutch time (at least when he's not alongside Millsap) and scores a lot more than MO.
That doesn't mean that Utah should bring Boozer back, either. S&T him to Orlando or Toronto or Egypt. Somewhere.
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Who needs centers or power forwards when you can have a whole team of SGs and SFs?
You know you need some bigs when the freaking GS Warriors have more size than you.
You know you need some bigs when the freaking GS Warriors have more size than you.
memo is money
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I do not know if I'm sarcastic as you claim but even if you are true, it has little importance and significance compared to your stupidility.
- The fact that Hansen is playing in Europe has NO connection with what I'm talking about. I'm impressed with your ability to make weird connections and ignore the bigger picture. Hansen also had a serious achilles injury and recovered. He said that he felt more stronger and better after the recovery process.
- My comment basically stemms from this article: https://www.deseretnews.com/article/700026531/Travis-Hansens-memo-to-Mehmet-Okur-It-will-be-OK.html Before putting your worthless crap into words, try to understand. Calm down for a second and acknowledge that you do not have to be right on every topic.
- When fans like Numberica ans S2Emoction expressed their harsh criticism regarding Memo extension, their feelings were deeply affected and driven by their hate for Okur and their belief that the Jazz would be a better team with a defensive minded center like Haywood (hahahahh). It has yet to be proven however Okur's career is proven. You can lobby for a defensive center but the recent trend of so-called rim protecters does not seem to support your idea. Haywood, boom. Dampier, Biedrins, blah blah.... The bottom line is there are only 4-5 elite centers who can play both sides of floor very efficiently and become reliable, accountable on both ends of the floor. What I belive is you cannot beat a team with Lopez, Duncan, Bynum, Gasol, Howard with that one-dimensional defensive players. You would have to have great complementary players that can compensate for the offensive failure and weakness of such players (Celtics?). I do believe that you have to make that elite bigmen ,whose team are generally serious contenders, work on defensive end and like I said Memo is not only one of the most versatile big men offensively but he has also shown improvement on his inside game. So, if you're not getting Lopez, Noah, Kaman (debatable), Bynum, Yao etc. thanks. I do not believe that a combo of Booz-Gortat would work better than Okur-Booz or even Okur-Gortat.
- Considering the fact that nobody could predict an injury and the fact that Okur had just completed his most effective and efficient season as a Jazzman, and the fact that at that time the Jazz expected Boozer to opt out, it was not surprising and crazy to extend Okur's contract. Had he not been injured, he would even have had better stats and efficiency in that year. Search his stats and his contributions. It was obviously not a steal but no-brainer, etiher. For the mental letdown? Search for Boozer and "I'm the starter period".
- Memo is a top8 center talent wise and no center and very few forwards have the versatile offensive threads and repertoire of Memo.
- Memo is certainly not an overally good defensive player but I think he showed improvement on defensive end and he is/was a reliable post defender. Stats show that Memo allows second low OFG% among centers from post area.
- I remember the "why now, next year the economy will even worsen and we could have signed the same player a cheaper contract" compaints. Where are you? Freakin' Channing Frye, DARKO gets respectable deals. Richard Jefferson, after a terribly disapponiting season, opted out the 15mil $ contract because 1) he was concerned about a looming lockout 2) he thought he could get a similar or even bigger contract.
- Hollinger thinks it was a genius move. I do not think it was "genius" but it was CERTAINLY NOT stupid and horrific.
InGameStrategy
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"Stupidility." How poetic.
Whoa--getting a little testy here, aren't you, Memo for Money, especially because all Memo is good for right now--taking the Jazz's money.
I didn't know this was a contest of right vs. not right, but if you want people to interpret what you write the way that you want them to, then maybe you might consider including a link in the first place--or at least explaining the connection between a player who barely scratched the NBA (Hansen) and one who have been overpaid and overplayed (Okur). Otherwise, people might easily claim that the comparison between the two is thinner than you were suggesting.
Actually, it was and still is reasonable to conclude that the Jazz would be better off with Haywood than Okur, ESPECIALLY with the black hole that is Boozer's defense. Utah's loyalty to these two players has been counter-productive, and re-signing Boozer would be the icing on the defenseless cake. Haywood brings 4 points less yet 2 RBs and ~1 block more. From a center, I'll take that anytime, especially when paired alongside an offense-oriented PF.
Yes, it has yet to be proven that Okur's career is proven (rolleyes).
If you are trying to argue that Utah is better off with Okur than a center that can actually control the paint and score a bit, then you have a long row to hoe. Haywood normally gives you 10 points per game, so it's not exactly defense only. And it doesn't have to be "elite," either. If Boston had Perkins, then it is likely that they could've pulled off the win. I am puzzled what happened to Haywood in the playoffs, but I don't think that Okur could've gotten Utah any further than they got, except that Okur + Boozer is maybe a bit better combo than Millsap + Boozer against the lakers. But he's slow, he's matador, and he's not all that strong. No thanks.
LOL. You accuse certain JazzFanz of hating, and you come up with this homer garbage for Okur? He was a slow, poor-defending center before the contract extension. His own-vs.-opposting production was almost even, and his on-court/off-court +/- was barely positive. https://www.82games.com/0809/0809UTA.HTM
But you don't need stats. You can just watch the games to see that he doesn't control the paint and isn't all that convincing on offense. And with decent perimeter shooting finally present in Utah, Okur isn't all that essential.
I guess history is repeating itself, because you continue to fail to post citations, or even mention your source.
I think that it is reasonable to infer that Okur would be cheaper this year than last year.
Depends on what you call 'respectable deal'. Frye's a borderline starter, but it's "only" $6 million per year that you are claiming to be one of the "respectable deals," vs. $10 million + for Okur. I'd almost want Frye more--and I think that I've explained why I'd want Haywood more at the same price. (In fairness, Utah had the ability to keep Okur but not sign Haywood. But there were trade opportunities.)
The economy is still not great, and the examples that you cite are more likely some teams choosing to settle for mildly overpaying a borderline center at $5 million per year (Darko) or $6 million per year (Frye) than going for someone really pricey. Phoenix let Amar'e go because he is demanding a max contract. Let's see what Richard Jefferson gets anywhere close to $15 million anywhere. RJ probably gave up $15M to get $10M per year, give or take a couple of million, for more years. We'll see. You might just be proving my point. In any case, San Antonio is elated, and they are lucky again. D*mn those Spurs.
https://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2010/07/01/no-laughing-matter/
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memo is money
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You still do not understand the reason why I made connection between Memo Okur and Hansen.
- Did Hansen experience the same injury? YES
- Did he recover properly and claim to feel better? YES
- Did he find his game and start to contribute? YES
- Did he earn the trust of teams even after such kind of injury? YES
You should be blind not to see, read the article of which I gave the link. That's all I'm talking about.
- Did I compare their game styles? NO
- Did I even compare them as players? NO
Is it clear for you, now?
-Haywood gives you 10 points. Hahahh. You know the reality but just to defend your case, you ignore it. Does he have post moves? Is he a reliable option? Does he get the attention of defenses as much as Okur's? His post defense is not better than Okur's. He is on the court just to defend. He, just like 80% of centers, is one dimensional. Face it. I would rather invest my moneyt on FEsenko, who demands much less.
- The reason why you disagree with Memo extension is just your hate and disbelief on him. Not because he did not deserve it. He is a top8 center for me and the Jazz, had expected to lose Boozer in 2009 FA, did not want to lose its center. That's it.
- After seeing the way owners spend their money, Had not been injured, Memo would have easily signed a similar or better contract. Your claim does contradict with what everybody can see.
- Again, YOU believe that Jazz are better with a center like Biedrins, Haywood... I believe I want every one of my players to be able to SHOOT the damn ball. For the center position? Tell me who are the real traditional centers, in today's basketball? Most of those so-called defensive powerhouses do not have a polished post move, which REAL CENTERS, WHO YOU WANT, would have. If the solution is to give 10 million bucks for a player who does not possess scoring thread, cannot score from painted area except assisted dunks or layups, is left on the bench in crunch time, cannot hit a damn FT, your solution SUCKS. What's the difference between Fes and Haywod and many others, other than experience? Basketball is much more than the unproven +/- stats, by the way.
friendsinmyhead
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You keep mentioning that Okur is a top 8 center in the league. I beleive that Okur is not in the top 8. I quickly came up with 12 centers I would rather have and there are probably many more.
1. Howard
2. B. Lopez
3. Kaman
4. Bogut
5. Noah
6. Bargnani
7. Duncan
8. P Gasol
9. M gasol
10 Horford
11 Haywood
12 Bynum