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orangello said:
throw Jefferson out of town even if it means you get nothing in return.
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Disagree with this. Utah needs to maximize Al's trade value. No need to be in a hurry to dump him. We should put him in position to put up big numbers, and see who bites leading up to the trade deadline.
 
Jazzfanz said:
They just need to cut there losses and call it a rebuilding. Bell, Howard, Harris, Watson, tinsley have got to go for.draft picks and young pieces. Then run a rotation of Burks, Hayward, millsap, favors, Jefferson bench of miles, Evans, kanter. All get playing time and we might actually have a player or two developed into an All-star. This is the perfect season to really go out and fully rebuild.
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This would go over real well with Jazz fans. Going from a 3 point guard team to a 0 point guard team. I'm all for playing the young guy as much as possible but you have to have good vets that give a crap about playing hard. Jefferson isn't one of those guys.
 
I feel like people are going to look at the box score and blame it on Jefferson for his high number of attempts, but truth is no one else was being aggressive. If we didn't throw it down to Al in the post, the shot clock would just get down to 5 then we hoisted up a crap shot. Jefferson made many a pass out of the post to open shooters, only for them to brick the shots.

I don't feel like today's game was an accurate portrayal of how the rest of the season will be. I think we will continue to suck it up on the road, but today I feel was an inordinate amount of suck. Someone else besides AL has to step it up and demand the ball though and make some plays. I see Hayward do it at times, then he makes a turnover or misses a shot and shys away from it for a while.

The sheer ineptitude of our finishing killed our will. Whether it be a Kanter or Jefferson missed layup or a missed jump shot by a wing; nothing was falling at all and it killed our offense and eventually killed out defense.
 
We have a lot of issues but to me the biggest is the lack of an outside threat. Teams are going to realize this if they haven't already.
 
Okur13 said:
We have a lot of issues but to me the biggest is the lack of an outside threat. Teams are going to realize this if they haven't already.
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I'm a little worried about Hayward. Will his sophomore pro year be like his sophomore college year? Extend role leading to a drop in shooting efficiency?
 
I'm going to get blasted for this, I know .. but Hayward seems to be most effective freestyle .. a la AK.














:p
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I feel like people are going to look at the box score and blame it on Jefferson for his high number of attempts, but truth is no one else was being aggressive. If we didn't throw it down to Al in the post, the shot clock would just get down to 5 then we hoisted up a crap shot. Jefferson made many a pass out of the post to open shooters, only for them to brick the shots.
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Did we watch the same game? Jefferson completely stopped the movement from the offense. As the game wore on nobody wanted to do anything when Jefferson got the ball. He hurts the team more than he helps.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I'm a little worried about Hayward. Will his sophomore pro year be like his sophomore college year? Extend role leading to a drop in shooting efficiency?
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When the offense ran through him even a little bit others seemed to get open looks that they didn't convert on. I would like to see Hayward get more touches. It seems to help.
 
orangello said:
Did we watch the same game? Jefferson completely stopped the movement from the offense. As the game wore on nobody wanted to do anything when Jefferson got the ball. He hurts the team more than he helps.
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I watched. For a period of time Jefferson was making some good passes. I recall him throwing out to a wide open Harris for 3, who bricked. I think he had a couple out to CJ,Raja, and Howard all mostly bricked. For a stretch we stopped going to him, the offense was disgusting. It took us about 10 seconds to even start it, then it went nowhere, resulting in a forced attempt by whoever had the ball.

Jefferson did go through a period were he was blackhole-ish, but I can't really blame him because no one was hitting shots and no one was open.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
I watched. For a period of time Jefferson was making some good passes. I recall him throwing out to a wide open Harris for 3, who bricked. I think he had a couple out to CJ,Raja, and Howard all mostly bricked. For a stretch we stopped going to him, the offense was disgusting. It took us about 10 seconds to even start it, then it went nowhere, resulting in a forced attempt by whoever had the ball.

Jefferson did go through a period were he was blackhole-ish, but I can't really blame him because no one was hitting shots and no one was open.
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This was all true. Rep'd
 
My point is, someone on the team other than Jefferson has to step up and DEMAND touches. I see Jefferson posting up and calling for the ball. I don't see Hayward showing hard off his screens and demanding the ball. Someone needs to do that.
 
Cyrone Torbin said:
My point is, someone on the team other than Jefferson has to step up and DEMAND touches.
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As if Jefferson (2-16) "demanded" touches?

By the way, Millsap did "demand" touches more than Jefferson. Which is why Millsap should've come in far sooner for Jefferson--or should've come in alongside Favors and Jefferson to guard World Peace and to test the 3-man PF front.

After the starting lineup broke down, the optimal lineup to try was Watson-Hayward (or even Burks)-Millsap-Favors-Jefferson (or even Kanter). I don't think it happened--at least not for very long.

Massive missed opportunities by "Coach" Corbin.
 
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