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San Francisco Becomes First US City With $10 Minimum Wage

Who says any minimum wage at all is a reasonable condition? You are sure pro-government intervention for someone who claims to be all about entrepreneurial ventures.

I didn't say I was "all about" entrepreneurial ventures. I said "I believe in the power of business creativity, entreprenuership, and capitalistic motives". They are powerful forces, and respond well to changing conditions. They don't need to be babied.

Oh and when did I ever say that businesses are so fragile they fall over in a light wind?

I don't recall saying that I was quoting you. I am characterizing your reaction. If you believe that business can easily accomodate minor changes, why has yourreaction to this change taken on the shape it has?

You feel that all those entrepreneurial ventures come part and parcel with minimum wage laws?

Minimum wage laws do not seem to have halted innovation in this country.
 
Also, you think if the minimum wage is not lowered, the person who can get by with 4 people to fill a demand will still hire that fifth person, because?

I'm having real trouble connecting your points and your justifications. Could you explain these connections?

At the risk of confusing you further, I'll attempt to respond.

Business owners aren't machines. Sometimes they're human. It is possible that they aren't solely concerned with greed and profits. Not all business is heartless. When faced with having to pay employees more, sometimes (see Trout's response) they just will. However, sometimes their margin is thin enough that they have to make adjustments.

Forcing the owner to pay more to the 4 decreases the likelihood that he'll be willing to hire #5.
 
Minimum wage laws do not seem to have halted innovation in this country.

Where is your evidence that the pace of innovation is exactly the same with the laws as it might have been without them? Can you show that we are exactly as well off now as we might have been without minimum wage laws?

That is something you cannot really say, on either side of that question. Yes, I agree that businesses adapt and move on. I am in business, after all, and a big part of my job is helping my company adapt to the changing market forces. I was arguing that this change would likely have a larger impact on smaller businesses and thereby affect peoples' lives, particularly in the middle class, primarily as a reaction to whoever started the argument (Thriller? siromar? they bleed together) that all businesses are multi-millionaire driven greed machines. There are all kinds of businesses. Big and small. All will be affected differently by a change like this. And even the little businesses will impact peoples' lives. That was the point.
 
My car will still drive even if I fill every open space with sand bags.

Proof that hauling sand bags has no ill effects on my cars performance.
 
My car will still drive even if I fill every open space with sand bags.

Proof that hauling sand bags has no ill effects on my cars performance.

Your car will still run but you may not be able to drive it anywhere because sand bags are in the way.
 
At the risk of confusing you further, I'll attempt to respond.

You haven't confounded me. Your response have pretty much been boilerplate. I'm checking to see if you can justify the connections, because I don't recall seeing such justificaitons before.

I agree business owners are not hearatless, especially not small-business owners (it's much harder to cut one face yo usee daily than 1,000 you never met). Faced wtih a decision between cutting a psition or find a new method to increase efficiency, they will find new ways to improve efficiency. Necessity spurs invention.
 
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