Serious LGBT question - Keep it Nice!

[LogGrad98]

Does this study measure the social effects? ie; WIMINZ SHULD B HOAMAKERZ!

I find it funny how many people assume that is automatically a bad thing regardless of circumstances. If you don't aspire to be a neurosurgeon or CEO and throw all personal desires out the window to achieve that then you are nothing but a patsy to the sexist elite apparently.

 

[LogGrad98]

This is so ignorant that I found it painful to read.

People who need to see the world on a binary-gendered basis say "A is wearing the masculine attire and B is not". People who just let people be themselves don't need to make these categories.

I know it is anecdotal - the best kind of evidence(!) - but every homosexual couple I know (more than a few) take on exactly these kinds of roles. I know one couple that both act about the same, kind of an in-between of traditional gender roles, but the other couples with which I am or have been acquainted take on a "male" role and a "female" role. Not sure what that means exactly but it is just my observation.

 

[Harambe]

I find it funny how many people assume that is automatically a bad thing regardless of circumstances. If you don't aspire to be a neurosurgeon or CEO and throw all personal desires out the window to achieve that then you are nothing but a patsy to the sexist elite apparently.

When did I say it was bad? I posed a question, and didn't get an answer.

Thanks for that.

 

[LogGrad98]

When did I say it was bad? I posed a question, and didn't get an answer.

Thanks for that.

The implication that choosing to be a homemaker would make you more stupid, complete with bad writing and all, makes your position on it pretty clear.

If you meant something other than that then I take it back, and you need to remember that on the interwebz we can't see the "wink wink nod nod".

 

[PearlWatson]

When did I say it was bad? I posed a question, and didn't get an answer.

Thanks for that.

The answer is no.

 

[Harambe]

The implication that choosing to be a homemaker would make you more stupid, complete with bad writing and all, makes your position on it pretty clear.

If you meant something other than that then I take it back, and you need to remember that on the interwebz we can't see the "wink wink nod nod".

The implication, if any, was that because much of society still stereotype female as a home maker, there's less of a social drive for women to go out there and push to succeed. Merely an odds game, not a knock on women at all.

 

[Harambe]

The answer is no.

Thought so. Thanks.

 

[VINYLONE]

Does anyone have any understanding as to why these two communities decided to join together? Am I missing something here?

I think it makes completely perfect sense to me and is not something I've ever thought was weird. I'm not sure why it seems so foreign to you. The LGBT wikipedia is a good read and might shed some light on the T being added to the LGB. You should definitely give it a perusal.

 

[VINYLONE]

This response illustrates how advocates try to have the issue of gender/sexuality both ways.
They say you are born with your sexuality (who you are attracted to) but that gender is merely a social construct.
Even in homosexual relationships the partners take on gender roles...one Lesbian usually likes to "wear the pants" literally and figuratively.
The homosexual males with feminine traits tend to take on the feminine roles.

I think this is completely incorrect. Who says gender is a social construct? Maybe the roles and some of the conventions related to gender are but gender itself?

What interaction do you have with gay couples either male or female?

 

[VINYLONE]

America is demonstrating the unfortunate consequences of ignoring that need.

Can you give me an example?

 

[Darkwing Duck]

Who says gender is a social construct?

Anthropologists.

Gender is based on sex, but not necessarily wholly bound to it. One can certainly identify with a gender that isn't what one's sex is. In some societies, gender roles primarily assigned to a masculine sex can be assigned to a female, creating a third gender, and vice versa.

What does it take to be "male?" Y chromosome and male reproductive parts. That's sex. What does it take to be a "man." That's not so easily answered and must be defined within each individual society.

When there are accepted roles outside of the expected roles females and males play within a society, more genders are created.

 

[moevillini]

I see, in reverse order of preference:

one guardian
two guardians
three guardians
four guardians
etc.

Obviously, having more adults take responsibility for kids is better than fewer.

Is it really obvious?
i think there are plenty of folks in blended situations who would disagree.


As far as anthropological studies of gender (male/female, mother/father) roles, there are plenty of studies of various cultures over the years where these roles show a great deal of overlap and ambiguity and it is not as clear cut as some of you seem to think.