Serious quesiton for people who deny human involvement in climate change/global warming

[Stoked]

I think humans do affect the climate, the catch is how much. I think that is far from proven.

But I think more needs to be done to increase our environmentally friendly tech. If we can make something cleaner and safer without breaking the bank we should imo.

 

[framer]

Come on. You've seen the charts. You know the science. GW lobby is pretty much every expert who studies the climate, and they're in agreement that the evidence clearly suggests human culpability. As for the second argument, surely it conflicts with the first. If climate change is a good thing, why try and deny human involvement? That's like Neo-Nazis who deny the holocaust, then rant about how the Jews should be wiped out. Not that I'm comparing you to Neo-Nazis. lol

I think climate change will be very disruptive to hundreds of millions of people worldwide. It's easy to sit here in the comfort of the developed world and talk about the opportunity presented by change (I even sometimes have the same impulse). But then one has to think of all of those Bangladeshis whose homes will be flooded and who will have no where to go. We should really be thinking about how to mitigate and manage the disruption.

I like you Siro, but this is the dumbassery that I was talking about.

 

[framer]

Also, In order to meet the caps we need to tell those people in Bangladesh, "I'm sorry, no industrialization or modernization for you!" If you want to appeal you will need to be able to afford your own private jet to Davos.

 

[Siro]

I like you Siro, but this is the dumbassery that I was talking about.

It's just what came to mind. I am not actually comparing anyone to Nazis. The analogy is valid, if over-the-top.

 

[Gameface]

The climate changes. That has always been true. Of course, rapid climate change is much more disruptive than gradual climate change. But I just wonder what the goal of anti climate changers is? It seems to be all over the place and seems only very loosely connected to actual climate change.

Obviously we don't really want to reduce climate change to zero.

And I'm still drinking my first cup of coffee so I don't want to try to make a serious point, but it's funny to me that the horrors of climate change accomplish much of what climate change activists want us to impose upon ourselves. Why not just let it happen? There is no realistic plan for us to reverse or even stop climate change over the next 20 years.

 

[Siro]

Also, In order to meet the caps we need to tell those people in Bangladesh, "I'm sorry, no industrialization or modernization for you!" If you want to appeal you will need to be able to afford your own private jet to Davos.

So we agree that human activities are responsible for climate change. Good.

 

[Gameface]

So we agree that human activities are responsible for climate change. Good.

This is a sloppy comment. Human activities may contribute to the rate of climate change, and the rate of climate change might be higher now than is "normal" but Humans are not the sole cause of climate change.

 

[Siro]

The climate changes. That has always been true. Of course, rapid climate change is much more disruptive than gradual climate change. But I just wonder what the goal of anti climate changers is? It seems to be all over the place and seems only very loosely connected to actual climate change.

Obviously we don't really want to reduce climate change to zero.

And I'm still drinking my first cup of coffee so I don't want to try to make a serious point, but it's funny to me that the horrors of climate change accomplish much of what climate change activists want us to impose upon ourselves. Why not just let it happen? There is no realistic plan for us to reverse or even stop climate change over the next 20 years.

We've pumped enough carbon into the atmosphere to bring the levels up to those of 5 million years ago. So we've compressed 5 million years of change into a 200 year package. Over human life times, we DO want zero change. I also think climate change fear is good as it pushes beneficial technologies, like renewable energy, forward, even if prospects of reversal are unrealistic.

 

[Siro]

This is a sloppy comment. Human activities may contribute to the rate of climate change, and the rate of climate change might be higher now than is "normal" but Humans are not the sole cause of climate change.

It was of the appropriate level of sloppiness given the post I was responding to.

 

[DutchJazzer]

all those cilmate change leaders. fly private jets.
going to give a 15 minute speech and fly there and back on a private ****ing jet!

why should i care then??

 

[RandyForRubio]

If we just get rid of cows we'll be alright.

 

[DutchJazzer]

i bet he can find an empty chair on a commercial jet