Seriously? No thread on the Iowa caucuses yet?
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Which Congressional Democrats pushed for an invasion in 1998?
OK, you're trying hard enough to see it your way somehow. DINOs and RINOs differ in no signifcant way, it's all about following the path forward towards the brave new order. First the left foot forward, then the right. We've been marching for over a hundred and fifty years. First we wiped out and reservationized/socialized our own Indians, then we booted the Spaniards out of Cuba and the Philippines, staying to fight the filipino freedom fighters who we claimed we were helping fight the Spaniards, then we were all singing "Over There" and hazing reluctant Americans who might have had private thoughts about going over there to sit in chlorine-filled trenches with a hail of lead going overhead. That's when our pals the British made their pact with the Zionists in exchange for their finanical support in the "War to End all Wars", which is the genesis of our involvement in the Middle East today.
Clinton had his own Iraq in the former Yugoslavia, complete with demonized former kingpin.
Only Ron Paul sees a way out of this trajectory into bankruptcy, world-wide ignominy, and endless wars everywhere.
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TheSilencer1313
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The tin foil hat in the room are the neo-cons scared of fabled terrorists.
TheSilencer1313
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Agreed.
Both parties did want to go in, and the Bush administration scared the American people into jumping on daddys back.
Again..... Ron Paul voted against ths.
TheSilencer1313
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and suddenly a new contender emerges
If Ron Paul can't get the nomination, then we might as well vote for this guy.
Nothing fabled about terrorists that are very real. However yes they do have a tinfoil hat aspect to them. No denying that. Just because one group wears tinfoil hats does not mean that other groups dont.
TheSilencer1313
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So what makes these so-called terrorists real? Oh wait.... the government and the mainstream media told us so.
And we also can't forget the 9/11 attacks, and how many lies we were told about that day.
Judging by this I would say these terrorists are definitely real, and most definitely hate us because we are free..... and not because we are bombing their countries.
God I love how you just froth at the mouth at the slightest sign of dissent from your opinion. I never once stated who I thought the terrorists were. Nor did I ever attempt to get into the rational behind why "they" do what they do.
But who cares about details and specifics huh. Just attack. Awesome lol
Google "democrat WMD" or something similar and you'll have your hands full. You'll find the rhetoric was increasingly forceful, with things like "stop at all costs" becoming quite common. There was a popular letter in October 1998 urging Clinton take action that had both democrat and republican signatures(John Kerry was among them). Secretary of State Madeline Albright pushed very hard for a lot of war, but she's not congressional as you've asked for. She's kind of like the democrat version of a neo-con but prefers NATO intervention over unilateral. That was the path Clinton followed.
I think you're making a good point. I'd entertain the idea that Obama's campaign promises to leave Iraq and head straight for Pakistan was against his true desires and a ploy to win the independents. But then he became as large a war-mongering, M.I.C. *** kiss as any president I've seen. He could go by "Drone Stryker" or "the 30,000 Foot Civilian Murder Machine" at this point. It really is too bad the left doesn't come up with a true isolationist candidate willing to stand ground.
TheSilencer1313
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I take it you're one of those "Call of Duty" fans.
Simply stupid and irrelevant comment. Enjoying a shooting game or not enjoying it have no bearing on the current discussion. Stop deflecting from the fact that you are incapable of accepting different views from your own.
TheSilencer1313
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Actually I thought it was a pretty funny comment, and pretty accurate as well.
I'm definitely not deflecting the discussion, and I love hear other peoples views.
If that is the case then you need to rethink the overall tone of your posts. You come off as aggressive and attacking. If it was meant as humor then I will admit I totally missed the boat there lol. As for accurate it is but not in the way you think. I like the game because it is fun. However that has no bearing on this disussion anymore than if I like cheese does.
TheSilencer1313
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Ok then sorry man lol.
Sometimes my post are a little aggressive sounding, especially when politics are involved.
The reason I think games like those have a bearing on the conversation, is because of the content they put into the story lines.
The United States claimes they've never engaged in a false flag terror attack, yet in the game they do just that.
Now some people will say it's just a game, but what I say is it's a reflection on what American society has become.... complete warmongers.
If I was a militiaman killing US army personel, a soviet spy killing British federal employees, a zombie eating school children or any other such scenario I would like it as much if it had the same gameplay style as Call of Duty.
Edit: I will agree that the American culture has become very warlike unfortunatly. I was for Afghanistan but against Iraq, Libya, the service detachment to Africa... Sometimes action is needed but not for everything.
GVC
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I fail to see how Reagan to Bush 1 to Clinton is terribly different than Clinton to Bush, especially when considering American relations with Iraq, which is what you were responding to in the first place. It's as if the Iran-Iraq War (and Iran Contra) and the Gulf War never happened in the first place.
TheSilencer1313
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Seriously?
How can you possibly be FOR action in Libya?
Any war that isn't declared by the congress through the people's represetatives is unconstitutional.
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Read it again. I said "...for Afghanistan but AGAINST Iraq, Libya, the service detachment to Africa..."