Should The Jazz Target Zach Lavine?

[HermanG]

Chicago has put their stock on Lavine for years and years (over Lauri as well) and look where it got them.

I dont blame Lavine for the egghead (Boylen) era or the Lonzo injury, but that team should have been better than it was last year even without Lonzo.

I think the problem is Lavine doesnt really seem to mesh well with anyone he has ever played with. He just sort of does his own thing... and he is a defensive liability.

 

[fishonjazz]

The knee stuff should be a concern, but he has been relatively healthy and he shows up for games.

I also get the "is he enough of an upgrade over cheaper options". But he is a reasonably efficient (elite 3pt shooting for a volume scorer) 25-4-4 with potential for more. The Jazz currently dont have that at the guard position and the only player who could get there is Keyonte, and that could take 4+ years.

And there's at least some possibility of hidden gains left in Lavine by just getting him on a A class organization after being on a joke team like the Bulls.

Also get some really impressive and entertaining dunks. Best dunk contest dunker I ever saw. So easy for him.

 

[fishonjazz]

I think Tyler Herro could put up similar #s on a much cheaper trade.

Actually just ran a side-by-side comparison and Herro is younger and on a better contract. Could be had for cheaper and has a little bit better defensive numbers.

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How does Herro offensive numbers compare to lavine?

Nevermind. I used your link provided to check for myself. Much much closer than I expected. Lavine beats him but not by much.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think Tyler Herro could put up similar #s on a much cheaper trade.

Actually just ran a side-by-side comparison and Herro is younger and on a better contract. Could be had for cheaper and has a little bit better defensive numbers.

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Possibly, but Herro has been in an optimal situation and is a less dynamic offensive player and a worse defender

 

[LogGrad98]

My admittedly limited impression of Lavine is that he is a fairly efficient scorer that can get you 20+ pts a night, but isn't a guy that you want with the ball in his hands at the end of a game. I'm not sure he brings a lot of value in any other aspect of the game.

We have other guys that are fairly efficient scorers on the team. Maybe not quite as good as Lavine, but I'm not sure he is enough of an upgrade to give up a lot of assets for.

Sums it up nicely.

 

[gomretat]

It would be pretty funny if the Jazz had a starting lineup that included Dunn/LaVine/Lauri and they were a 50+ win team. Revenge for the back to back Finals losses.

The only revenge for the finals is winning two in a row ourselves. 50 win teams doesn't move the needle.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

The contract isnt huge though. In his last year it will look like a complete bargain.

Well his last year is a player option... so if its a bargain he will opt out and get paid even more. Its a big contract for a guy with a knee injury history who is a borderline all-star.

Its kind of death by a thousand cuts with Lavine. On top of the other stuff I just don't think he's a smart basketball player.

If he was super cheap I'd be in... If we were one piece away I'd consider it... otherwise I'm not sure he's the guy to push in on .

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I just think the budget versions of Zach are better than paying full price in cap and trade costs. Not the same type of players but JC at his price and trade cost (free) is preferable. Now if Chicago wants to sell low then the equation changes.

I'd guess if we engaged right now it would be like John Collins, Sexton or JC, and 2-3 firsts... at least that's what I think they'd ask for. I also think Chicago has no idea what they are doing so likely not a good trade partner.

 

[Ron Mexico]

Nah, he is an upgrade over Clarkson, but not enough to help us win much in the playoffs based on his price.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

I think Tyler Herro could put up similar #s on a much cheaper trade.

Actually just ran a side-by-side comparison and Herro is younger and on a better contract. Could be had for cheaper and has a little bit better defensive numbers.

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herro also isn't nearly as good. doesn't score at the volume lavine does nor is he even close to as efficient. there is a wide gap in efficiency and it's a big deal. you can't have a volume scorer who's efficiency is significantly worse than the rest of the team - that will kill you every time. and that describes herro. and we haven't even touched on his atrocious defense. i'm about 55/45 on lavine (meaning i'd take him, but i'm only lukewarm on him), but i wouldn't touch herro. inefficient volume scorers who don't defend or make teammates better just don't aid in winning basketball.

 

[seattlejazzfan]

How does Herro offensive numbers compare to lavine?

Nevermind. I used your link provided to check for myself. Much much closer than I expected. Lavine beats him but not by much.

not really that close at all when you take into account he gap in efficiency and the fact lavine is also a more proficient volume scorer. if it were just ppg to ppg, you could argue it's fairly close (though lavine would still have fairly decent advantage)

 

[fishonjazz]

not really that close at all when you take into account he gap in efficiency and the fact lavine is also a more proficient volume scorer. if it were just ppg to ppg, you could argue it's fairly close (though lavine would still have fairly decent advantage)

When I loaded their names into the link provided for comparison they were very very similar efficiency wise and not far off volume wise. I was very surprised.