Should Ty Corbin be Fired? Discuss here!
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green
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The question isn't if he should be fired, it's when will he be fired.
You can't fire him until you have a coach. With arose going down, the last rumblings of players not liking Thibbs, and with Lindsey talking about how they've designed their team after Chicago's...I think the Jazz wait until Thibbs is fired.
Also, let's say the Jazz continue course and Thibbs loses a lot of games. I say it takes 2-4 weeks for him to be fired. That puts us, record wise, in a good spot. You don't want to bring him in too early, but early enough to finish strong but still have the best shot at #1.
You can't fire him until you have a coach. With arose going down, the last rumblings of players not liking Thibbs, and with Lindsey talking about how they've designed their team after Chicago's...I think the Jazz wait until Thibbs is fired.
Also, let's say the Jazz continue course and Thibbs loses a lot of games. I say it takes 2-4 weeks for him to be fired. That puts us, record wise, in a good spot. You don't want to bring him in too early, but early enough to finish strong but still have the best shot at #1.
Its if he will be fired actaully. This is his last year and it is not certain he will be fired as the FO has already told him the win/loss doesnt matter. He should be based on performance but to be honest I would be shocked.
AlaskanAssassin
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I never thought the Jazz should have came into this season with him as the coach. Firing him before the end of November doesn't really make sense unless you have a really good player development coach waiting in the wings. We don't! Who becomes the coach if he is let go? Until we can answer that question I don't think he is let go.
jimmy eat jazz
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Why, what's a better predictor for future performance than past/current performance? If the Jazz begin to play better and win more games, then we can update our predictions.
Add to this, it's a factual statement to say something like 'Jazz are on pace to win 6 games if current trends continue,' whether one intends this to be an extrapolation depends on the context in which he/she makes this factual statement.
I think 6 wins or thereabout is a highly unlikely occurrence, but to be honest, at the moment, I see little to give me reason to believe the Jazz will reach even 20 wins, which will put them in the historically bad category.
Finally, Charlotte won 7 games only one year ago, so, while an anomaly, it is not outside the realm of possible to be this bad. And the Jazz at the moment ARE this bad. Whether they will be this bad over the course of the season remains to be seen.
jimmy eat jazz
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I suspect strongly that the context of telling Corbin that win/losses don't matter was an assumption of 20+ wins. If the Jazz are not on pace to even come close to winning this many games, and are on pace for historically bad, you don't think this changes the context at all?
UGLI baby
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Charlotte won 7 in a lockout shortened season. Besides the point anyways.
Laramie
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It's going to take time to build and develop the type of continuity it will take to put the Jazz back among the elite franchises in the NBA.
Ty Corbin hasn't been given that chance.
The Jazz has been gutted. Look at the star power you have lost since the Jerry Sloan-Deron Williams debacle: Deron Williams, Andrei Kirilenke, Kyle Korver, C. J. Miles, Devin Harris and Paul Millsap
Ty Corbin hasn't been given that chance.
The Jazz has been gutted. Look at the star power you have lost since the Jerry Sloan-Deron Williams debacle: Deron Williams, Andrei Kirilenke, Kyle Korver, C. J. Miles, Devin Harris and Paul Millsap
Neil Armstrong thinks out tank is safe...and he's a ****ing astronaut!
jimmy eat jazz
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Whoops, I forgot that little point. That's a bit embarrassing.
Why is it beside the point? Again, what is a better predictor of future performance than current performance? (Please don't suggest again that I'm extrapolating to the entire season from our current record, as I've made clear I'm not doing.) One might argue that over 82 games there will be a regression to the mean, but what if the mean is that the Jazz are really, really bad? What evidence do we have at the moment to suggest otherwise? Aside from current performance IF you were going to predict wins, on what basis would you make your prediction? As I said earlier, I do not think the Jazz will win only 7 games, but I do think it's entirely possible (not certain) that they will finish among the worst 50 performances in NBA history. If you disagree, I'm curious why.
Below are the 50 worst records in NBA history. There's plenty of precedent for sub-20 win games in NBA history (though not all were in 82 game seasons).
Year Team W L WPct FG% 3P% FT% Reb Ast Stl Blk TO Pts
1 2012 Charlotte Bobcats 7 59 .106 .414 .295 .746 39.0 20.1 6.0 5.5 14.5 87.0
2 1973 Philadelphia 76ers 9 73 .110 .420 .750 50.9 20.6 104.1
3 1948 Providence Steam Rollers * 6 42 .125 .274 .613 7.2 69.1
4 1993 Dallas Mavericks 11 71 .134 .435 .338 .705 42.7 20.5 7.9 4.3 17.8 99.3
1998 Denver Nuggets 11 71 .134 .417 .323 .772 39.0 18.9 8.1 4.8 16.0 89.0
6 1987 Los Angeles Clippers 12 70 .146 .452 .224 .742 41.1 24.0 9.2 5.3 18.2 104.5
2010 New Jersey Nets 12 70 .146 .429 .318 .780 39.7 18.8 7.0 4.8 14.4 92.4
8 1994 Dallas Mavericks 13 69 .159 .432 .312 .747 41.7 19.9 9.4 3.6 17.0 95.1
2005 Atlanta Hawks 13 69 .159 .441 .312 .711 41.9 19.7 7.7 4.2 16.1 92.7
10 1999 Vancouver Grizzlies 8 42 .160 .428 .327 .717 40.2 19.3 8.4 4.0 17.0 88.9
11 1983 Houston Rockets 14 68 .171 .448 .247 .725 42.3 23.5 7.9 5.1 19.2 99.3
1997 Vancouver Grizzlies 14 68 .171 .437 .349 .709 38.8 22.7 8.0 5.7 15.9 89.2
13 1953 Philadelphia Warriors 12 57 .174 .358 .679 54.5 21.9 80.2
14 1950 Denver Nuggets 11 51 .177 .334 .678 16.8 77.7
15 1999 Los Angeles Clippers 9 41 .180 .427 .320 .721 39.2 16.4 8.5 4.7 15.9 90.4
16 1968 San Diego Rockets 15 67 .183 .417 .711 66.1 22.4 112.4
1971 Cleveland Cavaliers 15 67 .183 .424 .746 48.6 25.2 102.1
1981 Dallas Mavericks 15 67 .183 .462 .279 .751 40.1 24.2 6.8 2.6 17.5 101.5
1982 Cleveland Cavaliers 15 67 .183 .464 .182 .747 41.0 22.8 7.7 4.4 16.1 103.2
1989 Miami Heat 15 67 .183 .453 .326 .702 42.9 23.9 9.1 5.0 21.1 97.8
1992 Minnesota Timberwolves 15 67 .183 .458 .320 .743 40.7 24.7 7.5 6.4 14.1 100.5
1996 Vancouver Grizzlies 15 67 .183 .428 .329 .724 38.1 20.8 8.9 4.1 16.4 89.8
1997 Boston Celtics 15 67 .183 .440 .351 .750 40.0 21.9 9.9 3.8 16.4 100.6
2000 Los Angeles Clippers 15 67 .183 .426 .339 .746 40.6 18.0 7.0 6.0 16.2 92.0
2001 Chicago Bulls 15 67 .183 .424 .346 .739 38.9 22.1 8.2 4.6 14.6 87.6
2008 Miami Heat 15 67 .183 .443 ..358 .727 37.6 20.0 7.2 4.3 17.7 91.6
2010 Minnesota Timberwolves 15 67 .183 .449 .341 .746 42.9 19.8 7.3 3.7 16.3 92.2
28 1969 Phoenix Suns 16 66 .195 .430 .705 55.0 23.4 111.7
1980 Detroit Pistons 16 66 .195 .480 .260 .740 44.4 23.8 9.5 6.9 21.2 108.9
1998 Toronto Raptors 16 66 .195 .435 .343 .718 40.7 21.3 9.4 8.1 16.7 94.9
Year Team W L WPct FG% 3P% FT% Reb Ast Stl Blk TO Pts
31 1949 Providence Steam Rollers * 12 48 .200 .322 .693 17.1 78.4
32 1982 San Diego Clippers 17 65 .207 .500 .293 .723 40.6 22.9 7.8 3.6 19.1 108.5
1988 Los Angeles Clippers 17 65 .207 .443 .249 .713 43.2 23.0 8.8 6.3 18.7 98.8
1990 New Jersey Nets 17 65 .207 .426 .277 .746 45.0 18.0 9.4 5.9 16.6 100.1
1995 Los Angeles Clippers 17 65 .207 .444 .315 .710 38.3 22.0 9.6 5.3 16.3 96.7
1998 Los Angeles Clippers 17 65 .207 .438 .358 .723 40.4 18.7 7.6 5.6 16.1 95.9
2000 Chicago Bulls 17 65 .207 .415 .330 .709 40.9 20.0 7.9 4.7 19.0 84.8
2001 Golden State Warriors 17 65 .207 .409 .293 .706 45.5 21.8 9.0 5.0 15.3 92.5
2003 Denver Nuggets 17 65 .207 .411 .278 .699 42.4 21.2 8.7 5.1 18.5 84.2
2003 Cleveland Cavaliers 17 65 .207 .422 .327 .747 44.6 20.9 7.8 6.4 18.3 91.4
2009 Sacramento Kings 17 65 .207 .447 .368 .798 39.1 19.7 6.9 4.3 15.4 100.6
2011 Minnesota Timberwolves 17 65 .207 .441 .376 .768 44.4 20.1 7.2 5.1 17.0 101.1
43 1965 San Francisco Warriors 17 63 .212 .403 .640 71.4 20.7 105.8
44 1972 Portland Trail Blazers 18 64 .220 .442 .736 48.7 25.5 106.8
1990 Orlando Magic 18 64 .220 .459 .295 .756 46.0 24.3 7.5 3.6 17.2 110.9
1990 Miami Heat 18 64 .220 .461 .293 .687 43.4 23.9 9.0 4.7 19.0 100.6
1996 Philadelphia 76ers 18 64 .220 .436 .342 .734 38.9 19.9 7.8 5.1 17.2 94.5
2005 New Orleans Hornets 18 64 .220 .415 .315 .766 40.2 21.0 6.7 3.8 14.8 88.4
2005 Charlotte Bobcats 18 64 .220 .432 .363 .709 41.7 21.9 8.5 5.4 14.5 94.3
50 1954 Baltimore Bullets 16 56 .222 .368 .677 53.0 19.2 78.3
