Should we go full rebuild?

[Saint Cy of JFC]

People get so baby brained when it comes to rebuilding. There's such a high level of anxiety that the Jazz will either never be a contender or they will be perpetually mediocre.

Just breathe. Enjoy the process.

 

[Deleted member 365]

Going full rebuild at this point would be an admission that we have had no idea what we were doing the last few years.

Did we have any idea what we were doing these last few years? Cuz I don’t think we did. We have assed a tank for nearly two seasons.

Why did we get John Collins again?

Why did we get rid of those awesome orange uniforms for the yellow highlighter?

 

[stitches]

Picking 6-10 is not a bad thing if you can actually draft.

The problem is not that you are picking 6-10. The problem is WHY you are picking 6-10!! The reason Sacramento were picking 6-10 for what seemed like... a decade+ was consistant string of bad decisions. And we are on our way for some of the same. Sure, we are still in the beginning of our rebuild and we haven't made nearly as many stupid moves as they did, but it's not like we haven't made any stupid moves... or moves that are not consistent with where we are as a team. When a lot of us were pointing last off-season that that John Collins trade was making no freaking sense when you look at the big picture of where this franchise is, people(including you) glossed over it. Well now we have 55M tied into a mistake for the next 2 years. Is this mistake going to sink us? No, not by itslef... but when you start stringing those type of moves year after year, yeah... they start building up.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Jazz fans are such spoiled babies. They ran a successful strategy that resulted in them being very successful in the draft (early returns at least) and we got people bitching so much about the ****ing process.

We have an insane amount of assets, a pair of very talented mid 20's players, and four promising early 20's players.

The fact that merely having Kelly Olynyk and Simone Fontecchio is what made this team a play-in team vs a tanker should give us fans a ton of hope.

Not to mention the fact that it would be pretty hard for Clarkson to have a worse season next year (if we keep him) and Collins should be a better player next year after having a year with the team. Same with Walker.

Or maybe the Jazz do a similar thing and sell pieces off at the deadline. I just find it so odd some posters are obsessed over the idea that the Jazz need a rigid plan.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The problem is not that you are picking 6-10. The problem is WHY you are picking 6-10!! The reason Sacramento were picking 6-10 for what seemed like... a decade+ was consistant string of bad decisions. And we are on our way for some of the same. Sure, we are still in the beginning of our rebuild and we haven't made nearly as many stupid moves as they did, but it's not like we haven't made any stupid moves... or moves that are not consistent with where we are as a team. When a lot of us were pointing last off-season that that John Collins trade was making no freaking sense when you look at the big picture of where this franchise is, people(including you) glossed over it. Well now we have 55M tied into a mistake for the next 2 years.

My position if I'm the Jazz is that we have no need for John Collins. He's owed 25 per year over the next 3 years unless he decides to decline his option in the final year, which at this point seems unlikely.

We just drafted his doppelganger in the NBA draft at 9. Why would we want to create a potential barrier to minutes for Hendricks?

We have no desire to move Kelly Olynyk. We love him and he's a great culture guy and a better player for our team than John Collins.

So in light of all this you have to blow us away for taking him on in a straight dump. If you want KO, that will cost even more.

We will consider adding Sexton if you meet our pick demands.

Yeah, I was never for trading for Collins.

After we got him I probably tried to glass half full it, but I was never pro getting Collins.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

The Thunder drafted Poku over Tyrese Maxey.

Your franchise can make some errors along the way and it's not the end of the world. The John Collins trade does not impact things all that much.

There is also still time for the trade to end up being a positive.

Collins is averaging 18-9 on great efficiency post ASB. Yes, that's during a time when the games dont matter for the Jazz, but in a proper 3rd big role he can replicate that in 25 mpg. Just got to hope Walker is ready to step up next year.

 

[stitches]

We don't know yet which course Ainge/Zanik decide to go but my gut feeling is they do what they need in order to potentially secure Flagg, Ace, Boozer, or Dybsanta in the '25/26 drafts. Ainge never needed to tank for draft position in Boston with those Nets picks but Utah is a different situation.

In a bizarro world maybe they luck into a top pick this year, draft Sarr, and he looks like the big time prospect Mobley seemed to be 2 years ago. Regardless they need to pick a direction and will likely need at least one major hit in the next few drafts with their warchest of picks. Doing the same thing next season, tanking after the deadline for the Flagg draft, cannot be an option.

They didn't do it for Wemby, why do we think they are going to do it for Flagg?

 

[whatthe]

Whatever mistakes are made in the rebuild I don't care as much as if you draft someone you should be able to trade them within a year or two even if you made a mistake or they are a bad fit. Easier said than done but that is what I would focus on, guys who exude upside even if they flounder for a year a two and that you can convince other teams that they still want them.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Like what if the Jazz actually just traded Lauri/Sexton last year and ended up getting the 3rd pick? We get Scoot Henderson and we are in a much worse position for the future despite doing the thing so many people here are clamoring for.

But instead they did what they did and now Sexton has a much higher value profile than he did this time last season. If we can successfully extend Lauri, his value goes up.

I get the idea of just playing the numbers in the draft and going for broke with high picks, but doing what the math says isnt always the best. There's more nuance in real life.

 

[SoberasHotRod]

My issue with the Jazz rebuild so far is mostly roster building related, but it's too early to be too critical since we don't know what the final product is going to look like. From rumors and what has actually happened it doesn't seem like the FO is too concerned about fit, just value. I think we are seeing that backfiring on us with the Collins trade.

I personally would prioritize two way players, and if anything have a team full of guys who can defend. Based on who we have drafted and what the FO has said they are prioritizing guys that can shoot. Not a huge deal, just not my preference or style of team I would prefer to watch.

 

[hgb]

No I got it.

You want them to make the playoffs making it harder to build a contender. I understand perfectly.

It does not necessarily make it harder, building a team is not an exact science. Building a contender is fine, but life is short and sports is all about having fun. Tanking and semi-tanking seasons are very ****ing far from fun. Obviously I don't want to sign a bunch of mediocre veterans with a long-term plan of puttering along making the playoffs or playins most years, I want to see a plan, but I want to execute that plan while being relatively competitive and hoping for wins.

The Jazz are in a pretty good spot now with lots of assets, and the draft has no guarantees, ever. Wemby looks great, but he still needs to stay healthy, and he's the only "can't miss" rookie in, what, since Lebron?

Also you have zero clue what being "a fan" means. The word might come from "fanatic" (I'm not really sure, to be honest, but you're probably right), but that's _not_ what it means. Check any dictionary.

 

[Deleted member 365]

My issue with the rebuild:

****** uniforms
****** coach
****** app (RMS was better)
****** product

And the billionaire owner wants taxpayers to build a new arena in Draper.

No thanks.