Should We Move Gobert?

[l Abach l]

Combination of Personnel and coaching IMO. Who is telling jordan clarkson to pick up jackson 6 feet beyond the arc? Who is telling Rudy to guard Mann over Beverly? Who isn't giving Rudy any rest in the 2nd half when he's clearly gassed?

This loss was on Snyder. As long as the jazz hang on to him the 2nd round will be our ceiling. He's our Dwayne Casey.

 

[LoPo]

I may sound like broken record but we lost this series because we had no reliable second PG and no player capable of playing 5 in small ball situation. I mean Ersan may have been that guy but what good is he if Snyder does not play him. How can we fix this in off season? Who can we get to play small ball 5 and we may actually need two PG if we are not keeping Conley?

We should have gotten Batum for minimum when we had the chance. He could play for or with Rudy.

I've been championing his cause for years only to get ridiculed for it.

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[Elizah Huge]

We should have gotten Batum for minimum when we had the chance. He could play for or with Rudy.

I've been championing his cause for years only to get ridiculed for it.

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Rudy tried but Batum didn’t want to come here.

 

[Jazz4ever]

The reoccurring theme I see here is "let's just get a guy who can play in small ball situations". At the time of the signing, the Jazz knew every team in the league can potentially play 5 out small ball. So what else does that make it other than a bad signing. Rudy Gobert is making 40 million dollars a year now, not 20, that means there is no impactful option other than him. He is your franchise player, if you ever have to bench him, under any circumstance, you ****ed up.

If another team is offering a lot for him, you trade him, but let's be real no one will. The best the Jazz can do now is patch jobs to try and retain their punchers chance of a ring in the next 3 years. Getting some lanky wings would be a small help I think, but for the money you can afford, they would be devoid in other areas like playmaking and shooting.

Since the Jazz weren't predicted as a top 3 seed, no one should be totally depressed here. The Jazz just ended closer to what everyone saw in their personnel at the start of the season. Those weaknesses were hidden well in the regular season by Quin and company, but playoff time always exposes weaknesses if you have them.

 

[Getting Traded]

Rudy was a problem with small ball, but Quin was a bigger problem when he didn't make the proper adjustments. Yes, Mann played out of his mind, and if he didn't, it might've been a different story. On the other hand, if Rudy didn't cause so many turnovers, they may not have been able to come back from such a huge deficit no matter how well they shot.

 

[fishonjazz]

Combination of Personnel and coaching IMO. Who is telling jordan clarkson to pick up jackson 6 feet beyond the arc? Who is telling Rudy to guard Mann over Beverly? Who isn't giving Rudy any rest in the 2nd half when he's clearly gassed?

This loss was on Snyder. As long as the jazz hang on to him the 2nd round will be our ceiling. He's our Dwayne Casey.

This reminds me of yet another adjustment quin could have made but didn't.
Since everything for the clippers started by getting past their defender and making gobert come help, why not tell Clarkson, bogey, Conley, Royce, etc to sag off their man on the outside a bit so it's harder to get blown by. Sure that would give them some space to shoot 3's but I would rather have them shooting 3's with a defender 3 feet away from them than shooting 3's with a defender 10 feet away from them

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[Getting Traded]

This reminds me of yet another adjustment quin could have made but didn't.
Since everything for the clippers started by getting past their defender and making gobert come help, why not tell Clarkson, bogey, Conley, Royce, etc to sag off their man on the outside a bit so it's harder to get blown by. Sure that would give them some space to shoot 3's but I would rather have them shooting 3's with a defender 3 feet away from them than shooting 3's with a defender 10 feet away from them

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Well, that certainly is on the coaching.

 

[magic]

For those saying we won't get equal value, y'all are missing the fact that it's addition by subtraction. Sure we might have a worse regular season record, but like the Clippers, if we trade Gobert for different pieces we could be built for the postseason for once.

If we keep Gobert, we kiss goodbye any chance of a championship.

I like Gobert better than Donovan as a person, but this is basketball and I'd choose Donovan to build around 10 out of 10 times.

 

[l Abach l]

This reminds me of yet another adjustment quin could have made but didn't.
Since everything for the clippers started by getting past their defender and making gobert come help, why not tell Clarkson, bogey, Conley, Royce, etc to sag off their man on the outside a bit so it's harder to get blown by. Sure that would give them some space to shoot 3's but I would rather have them shooting 3's with a defender 3 feet away from them than shooting 3's with a defender 10 feet away from them

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I'm bewildered that armchair coaches with no coaching experience in basketball at any level have better ideas than what we witnessed last night... and just like that the Jazz's title hopes are blown away like a fart in the wind

 

[SoUjazzfan]

If you trade Gobert you'd better get some world class scorers because we'll give up 150 points a night with our defense (or lack thereof). It'll be a layup line for the opposing team every game. You better get rid of Quin and get a new scheme if Rudy goes.

 

[LogGrad98]

So tell us idiots how we surround Rudy with competent defenders that can shoot well enough to not compromise spacing with the amount of money we are paying Rudy?

I think you’re right that there’s not a chance in hell a Gobert trade is even considered right now. But most people advocating a trade aren’t doing so on the grounds that Rudy’s play is “part of the problem.” It’s just that a solution to the problem is exceedingly hard to find with him being paid what he is.

Rudy isn’t the problem if he’s surrounded by the right players, but I don’t see a path to surrounding him with the right players short of just getting really lucky in the draft or something (where we don’t even have a pick next year).

We’re asset poor, have aging guys with minimal trade value, and have cap issues. Barf. We’re basically locked into a core that I don’t think has a chance of ever winning a title, waiting until it completely ages out, and starting a full rebuild when Don leaves.

Actually most of the people calling for a trade spent the better part of the night last night saying Rudy was singlehandedly to blame for the final loss. Nevermind it was nearly a 30 point swing to our favor on D with him on the bench vs in the game.

How we get better players? Well now is when the FO earns their money. Frankly I think they need to be fired for their gross mishandling of assets. Then let the new GM figure this out. But we will obviously have to move other contracts. I love Ingles so so much but talk about a disappearing act during the playoffs. He was less than a non-factor, and as per his usual in the playoffs for the last couple of years, afraid to shoot. And obviously his abilities to lock down on the perimeter are completely gone.

Imo everyone not named Gobert or Mitchell or Clarkson should be fair game. And frankly any of them could be depending on what we can get back.

But one thing is clear, we are built for regular season success and playoff meltdowns.

This last game was the acid test for this team. This off-season will be the acid test for the FO.

 

[LogGrad98]

If you trade Gobert you'd better get some world class scorers because we'll give up 150 points a night with our defense (or lack thereof). It'll be a layup line for the opposing team every game. You better get rid of Quin and get a new scheme if Rudy goes.

Getting rid of Quin might be the best idea tbpfh. I think this series exposed his lack of creativity and ability to think and adjust on the fly, as well as his inability to get his team to play with heart. He's definitely no Sloan.

We joke about snyder killing hookers, well in that vein Snyder might look like he buried bodies in his yard, but Sloan actually buried bodies on the court. Big difference.