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Sloan loses his job; NBA loses the battle

This guy really speaks to the situation. It's been likened on the radio to a funeral. I think that's appropriate. I think I need to treat it the same as my recent relocation from Vegas back to Utah: You don't recreate moments, you don't replace friends, and you don't expect the same things from a new situation, even if you've been there before. It doesn't mean that what's new will be bad, but it does mean you can't expect it to be the same as what's passed.

The things that Jerry Sloan brought to this organization will never be repeated. We were lucky to be part of the moment. We will better understand the moment than those that will come after us, and will appreciate the things he did better than those who were not fortunate to be a fan during the Sloan era.

I can't say what this new situation will bring, For a while, I think I will sit back and take it all in; watch to see what the character of the team is. I want to be attached to them, but right now, I would be forcing it to try to be into them as much as I was (I keep telling myself its just part of the shock). I have to let it soak in. What am I looking for? I don't know yet, I'm just trying to erase my expectations, so that I can appreciate a new situation with my favorite sports team.
 
To me the shocking part out of all of this is that Phil Johnson rode into the sunset at the same time. To me that shows there isn't a healthy organization in place.
 
vegas said:
This guy really speaks to the situation. It's been likened on the radio to a funeral. I think that's appropriate. I think I need to treat it the same as my recent relocation from Vegas back to Utah: You don't recreate moments, you don't replace friends, and you don't expect the same things from a new situation, even if you've been there before. It doesn't mean that what's new will be bad, but it does mean you can't expect it to be the same as what's passed.

The things that Jerry Sloan brought to this organization will never be repeated. We were lucky to be part of the moment. We will better understand the moment than those that will come after us, and will appreciate the things he did better than those who were not fortunate to be a fan during the Sloan era.

I can't say what this new situation will bring, For a while, I think I will sit back and take it all in; watch to see what the character of the team is. I want to be attached to them, but right now, I would be forcing it to try to be into them as much as I was (I keep telling myself its just part of the shock). I have to let it soak in. What am I looking for? I don't know yet, I'm just trying to erase my expectations, so that I can appreciate a new situation with my favorite sports team.
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That's about where I am. It's funny, right before the announcement I wrote a thread about feeling disconnected, dissatisfied, blue about the Jazz. They are the only sports team I follow. I've been a fan since I was in the second grade for crying out loud. I wanted Jerry to retire at the end of the season, I was ready for something new. But the way everything went down is just bad in so many ways. For one, it taints Sloan's legacy a bit. It's hard to see a coach I respect, even if I was ready to see him go, go out the way he did. Add to that all the drama and problems left behind. The rumor and innuendo, accusations, suspicion, fan disenchantment, locker room dynamics, etc. These other factors make it even worse. And it's all happening right after a dreadful tailspin by the team, the emergence of some pretty obvious flaws, plummeting in the rankings and not playing good ball.

So I have this weird feeling of wanting to believe that things will improve, but feeling some doubt, and feeling like the change-over hardly could have happened in a worse way, so where does that leave the team? Then the first game after it all happens is one of the weirdest melt-downs, and another guy goes down with an injury.

ugh.
 
homeytennis said:
To me the shocking part out of all of this is that Phil Johnson rode into the sunset at the same time. To me that shows there isn't a healthy organization in place.
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Why is that shocking? They came together and they're old buddies that go waaay back. I think people are reading too much into that part.
 
Larry H. used to talk about how when Coach retired, the job would be Phil's if he wanted to. It seemed like the logical thing to do, especially in a situation where you needed someone to step in for just the last 3 months of the season.

Just seems like another proof that Greg Miller is f*ing up the franchise something fierce.
 
LifeOnaPlate said:
That's about where I am. It's funny, right before the announcement I wrote a thread about feeling disconnected, dissatisfied, blue about the Jazz. They are the only sports team I follow. I've been a fan since I was in the second grade for crying out loud. I wanted Jerry to retire at the end of the season, I was ready for something new. But the way everything went down is just bad in so many ways. For one, it taints Sloan's legacy a bit. It's hard to see a coach I respect, even if I was ready to see him go, go out the way he did. Add to that all the drama and problems left behind. The rumor and innuendo, accusations, suspicion, fan disenchantment, locker room dynamics, etc. These other factors make it even worse. And it's all happening right after a dreadful tailspin by the team, the emergence of some pretty obvious flaws, plummeting in the rankings and not playing good ball.
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I take a lot of comfort in the fact that Sloan doesn't care what everybody thinks, never has!

It defines Jerry that he didn't stick around to move up the wins record list, and that he went out when nobody expected in an instant, so that, even though it was a huge deal, it wasn't any bigger than was necessary.
 
Interesting how this guy dumped all the blame on Deron. No doubt that Deron had a role, but what about the age and energy issue? Not even mentioned. From what I have read elsewhere, Sloan has been thinking about this for awhile. He put in a lot of years and you do not see many HC last too long in most any sport year in year out. Takes too much out of you. And he is 68.

Oh, and Sloan did not "lose" his job. He resigned. He quit. He retired.
 
homeytennis said:
To me the shocking part out of all of this is that Phil Johnson rode into the sunset at the same time. To me that shows there isn't a healthy organization in place.
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JimLes said:
Larry H. used to talk about how when Coach retired, the job would be Phil's if he wanted to. It seemed like the logical thing to do, especially in a situation where you needed someone to step in for just the last 3 months of the season.

Just seems like another proof that Greg Miller is f*ing up the franchise something fierce.
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I know Malone said Jazz fans were smart, but let's not get too ahead of ourselves. Let's keep the speculation out of it and save the delusion for clutchfans. The difference between Greg and Larry is that Greg does not get involved like Larry did. How many times did Larry let his emotions get the best of him that ended up bad decisions (AK's contract)? Not that I didn't like Larry and his emotions, I felt connected to him and the team because of it, but I often felt like he let those emotions make decisions that would be better left to someone not so attached.

From what I understand, he was a micromanager and had a difficult time letting the people he hired do their jobs. Greg stays out from what I can tell. Is that good or bad? I think that remains to be seen, however, let's not assume that there are issues with the organization just because Phil retired with Sloan. Most fans knew that Phil would go when Sloan did and Phil had mentioned it on more than one occasion, not just only during the press conference of their retirement.
 
m3at said:
let's not assume that there are issues with the organization just because Phil retired with Sloan. Most fans knew that Phil would go when Sloan did and Phil had mentioned it on more than one occasion, not just only during the press conference of their retirement.
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Actually that's not true, and Phil set that misconception straight at the press conference here:
https://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=304&sid=14327951 -4th video down "Intervew with Phil Johnson" 1:08-minute mark.
If this was solely Jerry's diminished energy, Phil would've stuck around to help guide this team. His resignation was done out of principle. And this video from 2 weeks ago clearly demonstrates Phil wasn't a guy who was expecting to leave soon.
https://www.ksl.com/?sid=14207386&nid=294

zman1527 said:
Interesting how this guy dumped all the blame on Deron.
Oh, and Sloan did not "lose" his job. He resigned. He quit. He retired.
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If you listened to Sloan's postgame comments after Chicago and Tuesday's press conference, you'll know that never once did Jerry put any type of blame on Deron or any other player.


I know there are alot of Jazz fans who want to believe the company line and believe the best about Deron and the rest of the players, but I see alot of fans allowing their satisfaction at a coaching change distort their judgement of reality.
IMO, if you're buying into what the organization is saying, I think you could be sold on Santa Claus and anything else in the world. If you want to dismiss espn's reports - I understand, but dismissing Brian T. Smith's reports - a reporter who spends every day w/the Jazz and does not work for the team - is a mistake.

I'm not blaming Deron, and I'm not implying Sloan was doing a phenomenal job with this year's team. I'm just saying, where there's smoke there's usually fire.
 
though reports were widespread in Utah he’d quit on the team and was pushing for Sloan’s ouster.
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Stopped reading right here, because this line is a lie, and gives a good enough indication of where this article was going to go.
 
Very good article, sums up Jerry's attitude towards players and the game very well. It's sad to see him go but I'm excited for the future as well.
 
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