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Snyder to step down - Woj

babe said:
The Utah Jazz hve, historically, been methodical. Some kind of playbook coach who runs things by the numbers. Rare that we get creative players who see the floor and can improvise, and still rarer that our fcoaches let them do that if they can.

I'd have to buy the Jazz to have my way, I'm sure. My brother has been claiming for years that Snyder is as stupid as cold tar. My brother was one of those creative spirits, and it was fun to watch him play.

I relied on my flat feet and my 3-point shot. He'd blow past me for the dunk, but I made him come out to block. Close was a good day.

I was at the sports medicine pro place today to check on my sprained wrist. I'll be good in a couple of weeks. Out shooting on the home court.

In my dreams, we'd get Jason Kidd and a couple of future Donovans and a new Center for offensive rebound dunks.
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I couldn't agree more. Or, disagree more. I dunno.
 
LoPo said:
I agree. Ainge looked borderline excited to have a voice. Like retirement is over.

Based off what everybody said, my guess is that Ainge said Rudy is going to be traded, Quin didn't want to stay long term anyway, and without Rudy Quin said I'll step away early.

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Ya you could also speculate that at least a few guys don’t want to be back if Don is coming back.


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Quin saying jazz need a new voice could mean he lost the locker room. I don't think hell step down because of Royce or bogey or Conley. this smells like he lost one of the big guns. It's either Rudy or dm or both. I could be wrong tho
 
The most important in the choice is to get a coach who is able to show he is the boss. Too many stories ( real or not) with Don and Rudy. The 2 guys have to grow up and make it work together. or go. I do think they will have one more year to make a try, not more.
 
Sean said:
It's not hard to see what happened.

Quin was done with the Jazz. He saw his ceiling here and knew he'd never get out of the second round. Quin's a smart dude and remaining with the franchise would only prolong the inevitable, especially if they were going to blow it up in a couple years - if not sooner. Quin also was on borrowed time. If it was any other franchise besides Utah, he's likely fired for the quick exits the Jazz have experienced the last three years. He peaked in 2018 and has struggled attaining that level of success. If it didn't happen in year eight, it wasn't going to happen in year nine.

The fact is, by the end of Sloan's eighth season, he had already guided the Jazz to three trips to the Western Conference Finals, including a thrilling seven-game series where the Jazz lost a seventh-game heartbreaker in Seattle.

It was clear, after the 1996 season, Sloan's eighth (really seventh full season with the Jazz) that the franchise was trending up.

There is no clarity this year. Quin had stagnated and become a coach more known for his late-game, and overall series collapses.

The only thing saving him, again, was the fact he coached Utah. Not only are they loyal (maybe even to a fault), the national media looks at the results and thinks that this is literally the best the franchise can do. So, the fact Quin was able to have relatively solid regular season success and a couple seasons of making some marginal noise in the playoffs, it was an impressive run. To the national media, even getting Utah out of the first-round, or keeping them competitive in the first-round, was a monumental achievement and because of that, his stock grew more and more nationally - even if, locally, you could tell it was woefully over inflated.

I think Quin realized that. I think he realized there was nowhere to go but down. The franchise peaked and the next few years were going to undo the perception he had in the national media and likely could cost him a better gig in a better city, with an easier chance to grab better talent than in little ol' Utah.

He wants the Spurs job. He returns to Utah and next year is a ****-show, there's the possibility they aren't so sure to go with him anymore.

So, resign, sit a year out unscathed, have everyone singing your praises instead of looking at the faults (and there are many) so when Pop retires, you're the most attractive candidate.

After all, he took those lowly Jazz to the NBA's best record in 2021!

And sure - he blew a 3-1 series lead vs Denver the year prior, despite his team leading by 15 points late into the third quarter of a closeout game ... but it's Utah!

And yeah, his Jazz did **** all with that #1 seed in 2021, blowing a 2-0 series lead to a Clippers team without its best player ... but holy **** it's Utah.

And right, he failed to take advantage of Dallas being without its best player for the first four (or was it five?) games of their first-round series in 2022, and lost after leading 1-0 (including twice in Salt Lake City) but AGAIN, it's Utah. You can't expect anything better than that there.

Quin pulled the plug before his flaws ultimately wrecked his chances elsewhere.

I guess that's one thing he learned from his Mizzou days.
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Nice synopsis and analysis. Theory rings true.
Doncic back for game four in Utah by my recollection.
 
Sean said:
It's not hard to see what happened.

Quin was done with the Jazz. He saw his ceiling here and knew he'd never get out of the second round. Quin's a smart dude and remaining with the franchise would only prolong the inevitable, especially if they were going to blow it up in a couple years - if not sooner. Quin also was on borrowed time. If it was any other franchise besides Utah, he's likely fired for the quick exits the Jazz have experienced the last three years. He peaked in 2018 and has struggled attaining that level of success. If it didn't happen in year eight, it wasn't going to happen in year nine.

The fact is, by the end of Sloan's eighth season, he had already guided the Jazz to three trips to the Western Conference Finals, including a thrilling seven-game series where the Jazz lost a seventh-game heartbreaker in Seattle.

It was clear, after the 1996 season, Sloan's eighth (really seventh full season with the Jazz) that the franchise was trending up.

There is no clarity this year. Quin had stagnated and become a coach more known for his late-game, and overall series collapses.

The only thing saving him, again, was the fact he coached Utah. Not only are they loyal (maybe even to a fault), the national media looks at the results and thinks that this is literally the best the franchise can do. So, the fact Quin was able to have relatively solid regular season success and a couple seasons of making some marginal noise in the playoffs, it was an impressive run. To the national media, even getting Utah out of the first-round, or keeping them competitive in the first-round, was a monumental achievement and because of that, his stock grew more and more nationally - even if, locally, you could tell it was woefully over inflated.

I think Quin realized that. I think he realized there was nowhere to go but down. The franchise peaked and the next few years were going to undo the perception he had in the national media and likely could cost him a better gig in a better city, with an easier chance to grab better talent than in little ol' Utah.

He wants the Spurs job. He returns to Utah and next year is a ****-show, there's the possibility they aren't so sure to go with him anymore.

So, resign, sit a year out unscathed, have everyone singing your praises instead of looking at the faults (and there are many) so when Pop retires, you're the most attractive candidate.

After all, he took those lowly Jazz to the NBA's best record in 2021!

And sure - he blew a 3-1 series lead vs Denver the year prior, despite his team leading by 15 points late into the third quarter of a closeout game ... but it's Utah!

And yeah, his Jazz did **** all with that #1 seed in 2021, blowing a 2-0 series lead to a Clippers team without its best player ... but holy **** it's Utah.

And right, he failed to take advantage of Dallas being without its best player for the first four (or was it five?) games of their first-round series in 2022, and lost after leading 1-0 (including twice in Salt Lake City) but AGAIN, it's Utah. You can't expect anything better than that there.

Quin pulled the plug before his flaws ultimately wrecked his chances elsewhere.

I guess that's one thing he learned from his Mizzou days.
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This is 100% correct in my opinion.

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I totally agree with that too. The best for him is to take one year off and move to Spurs. Next year may be now or never for the Jazz .
 
FrenchJazzFa said:
I totally agree with that too. The best for him is to take one year off and move to Spurs. Next year may be now or never for the Jazz .
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It's never. This current one was the now or never season. This team is going nowhere unless our prima donna perimeter players decide to take some pride and accountability for their defensive effort and play. I kind of want to see them without Gobert behind them because then it really would be sink or swim... and it will be all out in the open for everybody to see over months and months of play, rather than them getting exposed for 2 weeks in the playoffs. They will have to either take some responsibility defensively or they will be the laughing stock of the NBA.
 
stitches said:
It's never. This current one was the now or never season. This team is going nowhere unless our prima donna perimeter players decide to take some pride and accountability for their defensive effort and play. I kind of want to see them without Gobert behind them because then it really would be sink or swim... and it will be all out in the open for everybody to see over months and months of play, rather than them getting exposed for 2 weeks in the playoffs. They will have to either take some responsibility defensively or they will be the laughing stock of the NBA.
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Hopefully a new coach will understand defensive philosophy enough to instill in the team the need to play defense at all positions, and not just teach "funnel to Rudy" as the sole defensive scheme and accept the constant lack of effort on the defensive end. Snyder's lack of defensive plan, and inability to inspire the team to actually play defense, was a major factor in our defensive lapses. We need a coach who has a better plan for defense, is better at adapting to the situations that arise, and can instill this in his team. That is a tall order given most of this team has had years of conditioning to simply not play defense, for which Mitchell is the poster child. He went from a phenom out of college known at least in part for his defensive intensity to a guy that literally steps out of the way of his man and lets him run to the rim completely untouched and then just runs the other way with nary a thought to the matter. The next coach needs to be able to change this in the entire team, or we need to trade away those who won't get on board. If we can't get this part sorted, it won't matter who the coach is or how many G-league rising stars we try to bring in, we won't get any further along in the playoffs. Especially if we opt to keep both Mitchell and Gobert, we will need a better defensive scheme to utilize them both to their fullest, and not just rely on the single generational defensive talent on our team to clean up everyone else's ****, since we really don't have the assets to fill in many gaps if we do keep them both.
 
LogGrad98 said:
Hopefully a new coach will understand defensive philosophy enough to instill in the team the need to play defense at all positions, and not just teach "funnel to Rudy" as the sole defensive scheme and accept the constant lack of effort on the defensive end. Snyder's lack of defensive plan, and inability to inspire the team to actually play defense, was a major factor in our defensive lapses. We need a coach who has a better plan for defense, is better at adapting to the situations that arise, and can instill this in his team. That is a tall order given most of this team has had years of conditioning to simply not play defense, for which Mitchell is the poster child. He went from a phenom out of college known at least in part for his defensive intensity to a guy that literally steps out of the way of his man and lets him run to the rim completely untouched and then just runs the other way with nary a thought to the matter. The next coach needs to be able to change this in the entire team, or we need to trade away those who won't get on board. If we can't get this part sorted, it won't matter who the coach is or how many G-league rising stars we try to bring in, we won't get any further along in the playoffs. Especially if we opt to keep both Mitchell and Gobert, we will need a better defensive scheme to utilize them both to their fullest, and not just rely on the single generational defensive talent on our team to clean up everyone else's ****, since we really don't have the assets to fill in many gaps if we do keep them both.
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Agree the coach has to bear some blame for that. But it's not just on the coach. Those players need to have some pride and take some responsibility for their own play on the defensive end.
 
stitches said:
It's never. This current one was the now or never season. This team is going nowhere unless our prima donna perimeter players decide to take some pride and accountability for their defensive effort and play. I kind of want to see them without Gobert behind them because then it really would be sink or swim... and it will be all out in the open for everybody to see over months and months of play, rather than them getting exposed for 2 weeks in the playoffs. They will have to either take some responsibility defensively or they will be the laughing stock of the NBA.
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I declared it before the season and said I'd really enjoy this season as the rebuild starts shortly after... then it was bad vibes all season and was just awful... sucks.
 
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