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So..... Can way say that bench assignment is not the best way to develop talent..??

Hotdog

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The "Core4" doesn't look much better this year than they have any other year since they were drafted. Sure, they have matured a little and have gotten older. They have also changed their bodies. But are they any better at basketball? Hayward has always played pretty smart, but the other 3 still make a bunch of mistakes.

I still have faith in the talent, but feel like they are behind the curve just a little. I feel like it was a waste of time to put them on the bench for so long.

Thanks for reading
 
Hack said:
The "Core4" doesn't look much better this year than they have any other year since they were drafted. Sure, they have matured a little and have gotten older. They have also changed their bodies. But are they any better at basketball? Hayward has always played pretty smart, but the other 3 still make a bunch of mistakes.

I still have faith in the talent, but feel like they are behind the curve just a little. I feel like it was a waste of time to put them on the bench for so long.

Thanks for reading
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Kanter did not make many mistakes offensively tonight. He looked great. Defense, I don't know.

I do agree though that bench is not the way to grow.
 
Observation and practice can only get a player so far along in terms of development. It's when they take the learning to the floor in real game-play that "development" truly happens.
 
Yes we can all agree that the Jazz front office and coaches have been complete dumbasses for the past several years.
 
JimLes said:
Maybe the talent that was advertised so much isn't that talented.
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Who knows? None of them are superstars, I think that's clear at this point. It just would've been a lot better to figure that out years ago throughout their rookie contracts instead of after blowing up the whole effing team for them.
 
b_line said:
I do agree though that bench is not the way to grow.
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What do you mean? When we as fans see the game we're just clueless spectators who are ignoramuses to the working knowledge of basketball. But when the players see the game from the sidelines, doing essentially what we as fans do, it's this mind-blowing experience that harnesses their inner Michael Jordan to explode when their time comes.
 
The Norm said:
Who knows? None of them are superstars, I think that's clear at this point. It just would've been a lot better to figure that out years ago throughout their rookie contracts instead of after blowing up the whole effing team for them.
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I agree to a point. Tough decision to make at the time, however, as it may have cost the Jazz many wins in doing so. At least, that seems to be the case after watching the beginning of this season.
 
Then I would argue that we shouldn't have traded for Derrick Favors or drafted Enes Kanter in the first place, if we knew we weren't going to use them for years.
 
Look for a Yugo or lithuanian development coach with a stellar cadets-level career (200K a year + green card should do it )
bring him in as the player development coach!
then watch...
 
Hayward looks a heck of a lot better this year than his rookie year. Oh yeah... he's had a lot of playing time.
 
Tarkanian said:
Look for a Yugo or lithuanian development coach with a stellar cadets-level career (200K a year + green card should do it )
bring him in as the player development coach!
then watch...
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I'm hoping that this happens someday.

Maybe the Spurs will bring one in when Duncan and Popp retire.


Only foreseeable problem would be the language barrier
 
To my eyes Kanter and Hayward look much better. Favors and Burks not so much.

So to me it looks like it is the right approach for some but not for others.
 
JimLes said:
Maybe the talent that was advertised so much isn't that talented.
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All of them have had good games.

Hayward is averaging 19ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.8apg, 1spg this year.
last year he averaged 14ppg, 3.1rpg, 3 apg, .8spg

Kanter is averaging 18.6 ppg, 9.2rpg, 1.2apg this year.
last year he averaged 7.2ppg, 4.3rpg, .4apg

Looks to me like they have both taken big steps forward in their development. Is there work to do? Obviously. Such as TOs and defense. But to say they are not talented or have not progressed is foolish.
 
We have one thread saying Favors is taking the game off (so, he'd be playing better if he were putting in more effort), and another saying he is playing about the same as the last few years. If both are true, then Favors is playing as well on his low-effort days as he used to play even on his high-effort days. That sounds like improvement to me.
 
The Norm said:
Who knows? None of them are superstars, I think that's clear at this point. It just would've been a lot better to figure that out years ago throughout their rookie contracts instead of after blowing up the whole effing team for them.
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I guarantee we didn't blow up the team for them. If the Jazz thought there was a superstar among them, they would have put vets around the core 4. The reason they blew up the team was because they don't have faith in the young guys and they want a piece of Randle/Wiggins/Parker/etc.
 
green said:
I guarantee we didn't blow up the team for them. If the Jazz thought there was a superstar among them, they would have put vets around the core 4. The reason they blew up the team was because they don't have faith in the young guys and they want a piece of Randle/Wiggins/Parker/etc.
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Half correct. They set up the young guys in a position to excell individually while the team loses. They did so because as you said they want that high draft pick. However they waited on the vets because next year is better int hat regards as well. Plus it looks like we are getting a pair of ballers in Hayward and Kanter.
 
Stoked said:
Half correct. They set up the young guys in a position to excell individually while the team loses. They did so because as you said they want that high draft pick. However they waited on the vets because next year is better int hat regards as well. Plus it looks like we are getting a pair of ballers in Hayward and Kanter.
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I'm so torn on Hayward. So freaking torn. On the one hand, he blew up last night:

28, 9 and 5. Fantastic. On the other hand, we were down 20 to FREAKING Boston. Hayward came in the game in the 2nd and we were down 30-34. Then Hayward, while in the game, isn't in the game and we go down 34-50. We only scored 4 pts in the second Q with him in the game. The same as we did with him out of the game. He did score those 4 pts, but why did it take him 6 and a half minutes to take a shot? He has talent. I don't know if he has what it takes to shoulder and lead a team. It's nice that when the Jazz were down 20+, he came alive, but why didn't he do that when the Jazz were down 4 when he entered the game in the second quarter?

I hope he proves me wrong, but I still don't see anything but a really, really good role player out of Hayward. I think Hayward would be amazing if Wiggins/Parker was option #1, Kanter option #2, and then Hayward.
 
Stoked said:
All of them have had good games.

Hayward is averaging 19ppg, 6.6 rpg, 4.8apg, 1spg this year.
last year he averaged 14ppg, 3.1rpg, 3 apg, .8spg

Kanter is averaging 18.6 ppg, 9.2rpg, 1.2apg this year.
last year he averaged 7.2ppg, 4.3rpg, .4apg

Looks to me like they have both taken big steps forward in their development. Is there work to do? Obviously. Such as TOs and defense. But to say they are not talented or have not progressed is foolish.
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they did all of that while playing 4-on-5.
 
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