LogGrad98
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I dunno. From a professional vs just a nympho. Could make a big difference.
So glad the LDS Church doesn't do paid clergy.
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I dunno. From a professional vs just a nympho. Could make a big difference.
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Back on topic, this is one thing that bothered me on my mission. I would hear missionaries using scriptures from the NT about not preaching for filthy lucre, then stating that we don't have a paid clergy, then adding "even the prophet and apostles aren't paid" when they actually are. It might be less than they would make in their professions, but then most people don't retire on 80% of their previous wages, and most in that group are retirement age easy when they are called. I would just tell people when they asked that we (missionaries) and the local clergy aren't paid.
PearlWatson
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Lolz...You and your hatred of Ford.
Actually, it states to tithe to the Levites and then the Levites tithe to the high priest, so maybe the Jimmy Swaggarts of the world consider that justification. I personally feel that donating to a church, any church, is ridiculous, but to each their own.
Yes. Definitely better with someone who knows what they're doing.
Thee Jazz Fan
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It's never been illegal to take advantage of dumb people, as long as what you're doing/selling is legal. The only time you run into trouble is when you take a legitimate sale/offer/whatever and take advantage of someone who is incompetent, or has no reasonable idea of what they're doing. Seniors fall into this category a lot because of douche bag insurance guys, reverse mortgage guys, etc. that go into their homes, scare them, and then take their money. Stupid people do not need to be protected, because they can/should learn from their stupidity. Seniors are different.
Agree 100%. That being said, most Mo' bishops don't "do it after work because they're compelled to do so", they do it because they've been asked to, regardless if they want to or not, because that's what Mo's do. If you're like most Mo's, then you believe that God chose that person to be your bishop, and therefore, is going to give him the tools and essentials to take care of you and your issues. Your analogy doesn't really work in this scenario because bishops don't do surgery. As far as I know, they pretty much just give advice. When things get serious, let's say, sexual misdeeds of the illegal kind for instance, then things are escalated to proper authorities, etc. (at least they're supposed to be) I go to my bishop for advice (not really, but just stick with me) about life in general, or if I have a spiritual problem. If I have money problems, wife problems, legal problems, or health problems, I go to a professional.
I know why you feel this way (I think), because I felt that way for a long time too. There's no right or wrong answer, just like the case of these televangelists; it really just boils down to what people want to do with their own hard earned dollars. If it gives you satisfaction, then by golly, go for it.
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Also, someone mentioned how the family of a bishop can suffer and I have first hand knowledge of the truth of this. There is a horrible stereotype out there that if you want to get a quick and easy screw, find a bishops daughter; sad, but it happens all the time. Most bishops serve five year terms, and if they're lucky, it ends there. I've seen plenty of instances where they leave their bishops calling and take an equally large calling in the stake (wards are divided into stakes, usually 5 or 6 wards per stake, and there is a stake presidency that oversees all of the wards, etc. -- one more layer of Government for babe and Pearl to complain about I suppose), which can be equally devastating on a young family. Think about it: If you're called to be a bishop and your daughter is 12 years old, you know, right about the time she automatically hates you and your wife and wants to start experimenting with adult things, how do you think things are going to go if you're at work from 9 to 5 and doing bishopric things five nights a week from 6 to 10? Age 12 to 17 girls need a dad in their lives, imo, which to me explains why that stereotype I mentioned above is really just a sad reality in some cases.
Which leads to the other questions of why would the church do things like that? Which leads to a lot of spiritual type questions that aren't worth talking about here. It is a very interesting thing to think about though. I have mountains of respect for guys that are bishops, even if I don't like them personally (had a few, tbh) because I have a feeling it's the hardest five years of their lives.
Which leads to the other questions of why would the church do things like that? Which leads to a lot of spiritual type questions that aren't worth talking about here. It is a very interesting thing to think about though. I have mountains of respect for guys that are bishops, even if I don't like them personally (had a few, tbh) because I have a feeling it's the hardest five years of their lives.
Beantown
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There is just a few things I find hypocritical:
-I think its great for SLC and I really enjoy going there but I think City Creek is over the top. I also find it hypocritical they are profiting off of the sale of tea, coffee and alcohol.
-There are reports that based on estimates of what the church makes through tithing money that the church themselves is not paying out 10% to relief efforts or charitable items. The churches finances are all secret so there is no way to verify this.
-I don't mind GA's given a salary but I hear stories of "insider trading". Where GA's or their family member start purchasing land around where temples are going to be built before they are announced to the public. Temples usually drive up property values.
So some of this stuff to be honest it pure speculation. Which is why I think the church should just open up the financial documents and be clear about everything.
It's so unlike you to base your radically stupid opinions on ridiculous speculation and unprovable theories.
Seriously, I'm shocked at your take here. Shocked.
Beantown
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Trout you are not that dumb. The point of the post was referring that the church should be more transparent with their financial records to the tithe paying members of the church. So that speculation isn't there.
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-The City Creek thing is not speculation. That one is obvious.
-The financial aspects of the church is speculation, but obviously the church could focus more on charitable aspirations rather than real estate development.
The church doesn't have to do jack squat is the problem. I wish they'd stay out of politics, but they don't. At the end of the day though, it's really in their hands and you can love it or hate it, but to openly complain or try to change it is pointless and only makes you look like an idiot. (I would know, I've done it plenty)
I find it hard to give two ****s about these.