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Sorry gun advocates, you'll just have to suck it up

DutchJazzer said:
nope.
there where less guns in the theater shooting then at a gun show.

you know what is readily available in mass shooting disarmed victims!!!


less victims less people shot
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Please explain to me how someone gets shot without a gun being involved.
 
DutchJazzer said:
ok give me an example name 1 that was in a "pwnzor zone" aka the guns allowed zone!
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Here's one just 3 weeks ago: https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/children-adults-shot-dead-texas-home-report-article-1.2319619

And, starting on page 7 of this PDF, is a list of all the mass shootings that have occurred since January of 2009, including whether or not is was a gun free zone, and whether or not the shooter was legally prohibited from having firearms. https://everytownresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/MassShooting-080715-9.pdf

EDIT: Note that a lot of them happened in private residences, and, as such, would not have been "Gun-free zones" by default.

EDIT #2: Oh, here's a big one:

Washington, DC, 9/16/13 The alleged shooter, who was a civilian contractor and former noncombat
military, killed twelve and wounded three more in an attack on Building 197 at the Navy
Yard.
• SHOOTER NAME: Aaron Alexis, 34
• GUN DETAILS: The shooter arrived with a shotgun and also obtained a handgun from one a security guard
that he killed.
• GUN ACQUIRED: Two days before the incident the shooter passed a National Instant Criminal Background
Check System (NICS) at the licensed gun dealer Sharpshooters in Lorton, VA, and purchased the shotgun.
• PROHIBITING CRITERIA: The shooter had been arrested at least three times including: in September 2010
in Fort Worth, Texas for shooting a firearm into a neighbor’s apartment; in August 2008 in Dekalb County,
Georgia for disorderly conduct; and in 2004 in Seattle, Washington for shooting out the tires of another
man’s vehicle. But court records do not indicate he was convicted in any of these cases, and this record did
not prohibit him from buying guns. He had also received treatment for mental health conditions at two VA
hospitals beginning in August, 2013 following an incident where he called Newport Rhode Island Police
to report hearing voices. But these incidents did not rise to the level of prohibiting from buying guns.
And during his military service he was reportedly cited on at least eight occasions for misconduct ranging
from traffic tickets and showing up late for work to insubordination, extended absences from work, and
disorderly conduct. On account of this the Navy sought to offer him a “general discharge” but he was
ultimately honorably discharged through the early-enlisted transition program in January 2011.
• NOT A GUN-FREE ZONE: There were armed guards at the Washington Navy Yard, and the shooter was
familiar with the premises, so he did not select it as a target on the presumption he would not faced armed
resistance. In fact, the shooter reportedly used a gun that he took from a guard after killing him.
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DutchJazzer said:
did no t say 0. i said less.


aka only the criminal had guns while the citizens where sitting ducks. or fish in a barrel
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Ah, so you DO need a gun to shoot someone. Interesting. So, if we could get rid of all guns, could we prevent all shootings? I'm not discussing the feasibility of getting rid of all guns, just the effect thereof.
 
call me crazy but i'm pretty happy that i live in a place where a zillion guns aren't easily available for those going through various kinds of mental illness and can't just easily get a gun at a whim.
 
gandalfe said:
Here's one just 3 weeks ago: https://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/children-adults-shot-dead-texas-home-report-article-1.2319619

And, starting on page 7 of this PDF, is a list of all the mass shootings that have occurred since January of 2009, including whether or not is was a gun free zone, and whether or not the shooter was legally prohibited from having firearms. https://everytownresearch.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/08/MassShooting-080715-9.pdf

EDIT: Note that a lot of them happened in private residences, and, as such, would not have been "Gun-free zones" by default.

EDIT #2: Oh, here's a big one:
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not gonna read too much liberal rantings as i believe it causes brain cancer if prolonged to long..


but if thats the criteria. are u allowed to enter the navy yard as a citizen with a gun?
NO

a navy yard is a gun free zone. the fact that law enforcement( including mp and special private armed security) are armed does not make it a non gun free zone.
a police officer can go to a gun free mall with his gun. does it mean the mall is gun free.


i see our definition of gun free zones differ.
you see it as a zone where even cops have to turn in their guns, there cannot be armed guards there. even military police and mp should turn in their gun!
i see a gun free zone as a zone where regular citizens are not allowed to carry a gun.
 
DutchJazzer said:
not gonna read too much liberal rantings as i believe it causes brain cancer if prolonged to long..


but if thats the criteria. are u allowed to enter the navy yard as a citizen with a gun?
NO

a navy yard is a gun free zone. the fact that law enforcement( including mp and special private armed security) are armed does not make it a non gun free zone.
a police officer can go to a gun free mall with his gun. does it mean the mall is gun free.


i see our definition of gun free zones differ.
you see it as a zone where even cops have to turn in their guns, there cannot be armed guards there. even military police and mp should turn in their gun!
i see a gun free zone as a zone where regular citizens are not allowed to carry a gun.
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WORDS HAVE MEANINGS! Again and again I have to teach you this, you moron. You DON'T get to change the definitions just because you want to.

I provide you with FACTS, and you decide you don't like them so you change your meaning. You're an idiot and a liar and not worth my time anymore.
 
gandalfe said:
WORDS HAVE MEANINGS! Again and again I have to teach you this, you moron. You DON'T get to change the definitions just because you want to.

I provide you with FACTS, and you decide you don't like them so you change your meaning. You're an idiot and a liar and not worth my time anymore.
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so whats a gun free zone in your world?

i know for most gun owners gun free zone is all about them a citizen to carry a gun or not into that zone.
they dont care about wether cops can carry a gun or not..


tried googling gun free zone.
first result i get is :gunfreezon.net
and second is :Gun-Free School Zones Act (GFSZA) - Wikipedia.


The Gun-Free School Zones Act (GFSZA) is a federal United States law that prohibits any unauthorized individual from knowingly possessing a firearm at a place that the individual knows, or has reasonable cause to believe, is a school zone as defined by 18 U.S.C. § 921

i know this aplies to gun free school zones. but cant find any other reputable source that defines a gun free zone.
 
gandalfe said:
WORDS HAVE MEANINGS! Again and again I have to teach you this, you moron. You DON'T get to change the definitions just because you want to.

I provide you with FACTS, and you decide you don't like them so you change your meaning. You're an idiot and a liar and not worth my time anymore.
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i am sorry if i dont know/have a different definition of gun free zone. so please can you give me your "correct" definition of gun free zone. so I can alter my statement about mass shooting in relation to gun free zones.

please
 
DutchJazzer said:
liberal rantings
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speaking of rants...

here is one of yours Dutch.

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