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Sorry gun advocates, you'll just have to suck it up

Gameface said:
Yeah, absolutely.

Do we really need shock and awe graphs to prove that point?

Does Dala think that's how this debate will change minds?
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I think dala was just trying to show that we have a problem with guns in this country.
I think you, me, and most people understand that and know that to be true, whether for guns or against..... But some people don't believe we have a problem
 
Gameface said:
Look at what you wrote above that graph. It was pretty offensive in my opinion.
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it's hard not to laugh when looking at the rebuttals in this thread tbh. Pretty offensive to see such a strong case of overconfidence.
 
Gameface said:
Yeah, absolutely.

Do we really need shock and awe graphs to prove that point?

Does Dala think that's how this debate will change minds?
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You should contact Stanford and tell them that their publications and data analysis are "shock and awe".
 
You should also tell Stanford that their data and research has never changed minds, or -- god forbid-- steered decision-making in congress, the supreme court, or the senate.

They'll gladly prove you wrong.
 
dalamon said:
You should contact Stanford and tell them that their publications and data analysis are "shock and awe".
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And you are proving his point that your snide attitude and condescending tone do nothing to further your argument.

You're better than that Dala.

On a side note lol at HH being worried about hate speech or posters being inflammatory.
 
BTW, while I'm providing statistics that show the problem with violence (and gun violence) in the US, I'm skeptical that gun control will make a fundamental difference. Like I, and others, pointed out, the US leads the worlds in most kinds of murders, not just gun violence. Since guns are the easiest way to kill someone, banning guns might reduce the rate a bit, but it won't solve any underlying problem. Also, the evidence that liberals tend to cite in support of gun control is sketch. For example, Australia banned guns in the mid 90s (often cited example), and experienced a drop in gun violence. But they had MINUSCULE rate of gun violence even when guns were readily available!

I don't know, man. The US has a deeper problem, and gun control is a bandaid solution.
 
Siro said:
BTW, while I'm providing statistics that show the problem with violence (and gun violence) in the US, I'm skeptical that gun control will make a fundamental difference. Like I, and others, pointed out, the US leads the worlds in most kinds of murders, not just gun violence. Since guns are the easiest way to kill someone, banning guns might reduce the rate a bit, but it won't solve any underlying problem. Also, the evidence that liberals tend to cite in support of gun control is sketch. For example, Australia banned guns in the mid 90s (often cited example), and experienced a drop in gun violence. But they had MINUSCULE rate of gun violence even when guns were readily available!

I don't know, man. The US has a deeper problem, and gun control is a bandaid solution.
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I sincerely agree, when in the context of homicides. However, I don't see how gun control wouldnt reduce the rate of mass-murders, seeing almost every single one is done with firearms. Status-quo isn't a solution. US needs to acknowledge it's evangelical fanaticism with firearms, and move towards addressing systemic factors that lead to its ballooned crime and homicide rates.
 
dalamon said:
I sincerely agree, when in the context of homicides. However, I don't see how gun control wouldnt reduce the rate of mass-murders, seeing almost every single one is done with firearms. Status-qu o isn't a solution. US needs to acknowledge it's evangelical fanaticism with firearms, and move towards addressing systemic factors that lead to its ballooned crime and homicide rates.
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So let us say that future firearms are restricted, particularly "assault rifles". Fine whatever.

What happens now? How do we fight the 300+ million firearms already owned? or the fact that, if Siro is right, that half the deaths are gang related. They already have their guns...

What solutions for those problems can be done because we restricted future sales of weapons...
 
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