Sorry gun advocates, you'll just have to suck it up

[fishonjazz]

So let us say that future firearms are restricted, particularly "assault rifles". Fine whatever.

What happens now? How do we fight the 300+ million firearms already owned? or the fact that, if Siro is right, that half the deaths are gang related. They already have their guns...

What solutions for those problems can be done because we restricted future sales of weapons...

In the short term it wouldn't do any good.
In the long term though I think eventually you would see a decrease in homicides as little by little there would be less and less total guns

 

[fishonjazz]

What we should be doing is addressing the gang problem. Again, that doesn't fit an agenda so let's focus on guns. Cuz gangs won't kill AS MUCH without guns.

Fixed

 

[HighlandHomie]

Doesn't HighlandHomie interject some kind of race problem when someone gets shot? Why not this time?

Oh wait a black guy shot white people. It's the guns fault now because there is no such thing as racist black people or black people playing the victim race card, or just plain bad black people

Guy loses job, must be because he's black. He shoots and kills people. It's the guns fault.


Damn white people and guns. If you would all just disappear everything would be so much better.

No, I've never done that. It's funny seeing the racists reveal themselves in this thread because they're making it about their problems with me.

 

[HighlandHomie]

Doesn't HighlandHomie interject some kind of race problem when someone gets shot? Why not this time?

Oh wait a black guy shot white people. It's the guns fault now because there is no such thing as racist black people or black people playing the victim race card, or just plain bad black people

Guy loses job, must be because he's black. He shoots and kills people. It's the guns fault.


Damn white people and guns. If you would all just disappear everything would be so much better.

Furthermore, this thread was started about a national discourse being needed about gun violence/gun control laws. Threads in which I've gotten some of the racists upset were about cops killing unarmed people - which is not the same topic as gun control. Keep going though, you're doing a great job revealing yourself.

 

[Siro]

Might reduce it?
I guarantee it would reduce it. Not sure how much but if you take away the most effective way of killing someone then it's a guarantee that killing would decrease.

But I hate how populated the country is so I say make guns easier to get

Yes, that "might" wasn't intended as "may or may not". As for the next part of your post, I personally like the human species, and I think the more the merrier!

 

[Stoked]

Ask all people to turn in outlawed guns, whether gang-involved or not. Extend regulations on the rest of purchasable firearms. Fines and sentences to those who don't oblige, and are proven to maintain ownership over then. I don't really care for your "America will launch a civil war" argument, really-- if America needs to launch in a civil war, then so be it. I posted an article earlier in this thread that talked about how America didn't always have his widespread fanaticism with firearms, and that the meaning of the 2nd amendment has not always been interpreted in the same way. America has led the entire world in so many regards since its conception, and this homicide and crime problem simply cannot be ignored. America has changed, and it will continue to change. Complacency is the demon of every civilization.

If so be it is your response to a civil war then that brings into serious doubt your argument about saving lives. Makes it seem more about control.

Sure offer incentives to turn in guns. There are already many programs like that ran by local PDs.

As for penalties. There is no registration of all gun owners. They won't know who has them as the underground market for guns will explode. Trafficking firearms into America would be as big or bigger than narcotics is now. So now your 300+ million is 250+ million guns and a huge under ground market. Sure you decreased the number but I don't think that will be enough.

Confiscation is as much of an absurd non-starter as the GOPs idiotic "self deportation" for illegals.

 

[Revolution 9]

We can throw our hands up in the air and give up. Arm ourselves more. Or eliminate future weapons sales of guns we deem to have no real purpose in society. Obviously what Stoked and gun supporters are saying does carry weight. How does that solve the hundred of millions of guns that are already out there. Well, for one it doesnt. Second we dont want to get rid of all the guns. We want to have smarter gun ownership. Better training, and better screening. You cant change culture overnight, nor should we want to. We should strive to put our heads together, and talk like human beings. I think we can solve even the hardest of challenges if we do. We arent the worst of the worst. We could be Honduras.

 

[Stoked]

In the short term it wouldn't do any good.
In the long term though I think eventually you would see a decrease in homicides as little by little there would be less and less total guns

In the long term the majority of guns stay unregistered and the black market/illegal trade for guns explodes.

 

[Hotdog]

No, I've never done that. It's funny seeing the racists reveal themselves in this thread because they're making it about their problems with me.

Furthermore, this thread was started about a national discourse being needed about gun violence/gun control laws. Threads in which I've gotten some of the racists upset were about cops killing unarmed people - which is not the same topic as gun control. Keep going though, you're doing a great job revealing yourself.

I don't have a racist bone in my body. I bet I know and hang out with more non white people than you do. Two of my very best friends, who I hang out with every week, are black. I also listen to a lot of rap music. I really like black culture.

I just don't care for racist people either way. And in my opinion you are very racist against white people. I don't like that. So I'm gonna let you know all about the discrepancies in your logic.

 

[Revolution 9]

In the short term it wouldn't do any good.
In the long term though I think eventually you would see a decrease in homicides as little by little there would be less and less total guns

I think Stoked is dealing in absolutes. Banning guns isnt an easy fix. Banning guns alone wont solve the problem. However, it could be a part of a larger solution.

 

[Stoked]

We can throw our hands up in the air and give up. Arm ourselves more. Or eliminate future weapons sales of guns we deem to have no real purpose in society. Obviously what Stoked and gun supporters are saying does carry weight. How does that solve the hundred of millions of guns that are already out there. Well, for one it doesnt. Second we dont want to get rid of all the guns. We want to have smarter gun ownership. Better training, and better screening. You cant change culture overnight, nor should we want to. We should strive to put our heads together, and talk like human beings. I think we can solve even the hardest of challenges if we do. We arent the worst of the worst. We could be Honduras.

I absolutely agree with the bolded.

But "gun control" by itself will never solve the problem of gun violence.

As Franklin* has point out...gangs anyone? just to name one of many areas that would need to be directly addressed to stop gun violence.

Gun violence is so much deeper and complex than the availability of guns.

 

[Stoked]

I think Stoked is dealing in absolutes. Banning guns isnt an easy fix. Banning guns alone wont solve the problem. However, it could be a part of a larger solution.

I agree that it could be part of a larger solution. But is it a solution that we could all stomach? What else would be needed beyond banning future firearm sales?