Spurs Doing What Jazz Should be Doing

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I think the internet has also changed things drastically. LeBron/Durant/Giannis all rose to being gigantic stars in small markets.

True, but Lebron left Cleveland to go win chips in Miami. He left Cleveland a 2nd time to chase rings in L.A. Durant choked a playoff series against the Warriors and then went and joined them. Giannis is the only guy who carried his original franchise all the way. The only reason Lebron went back to Cleveland is because Miami met some resistance, DWade was declining, and he could team up with Kyrie and Kevin Love in his home state.

It's not about becoming a star. It's about sticking around with your first franchise after the 2nd contract.

 

[YoungJefe]

True, but Lebron left Cleveland to go win chips in Miami. He left Cleveland a 2nd time to chase rings in L.A. Durant choked a playoff series against the Warriors and then went and joined them. Giannis is the only guy who carried his original franchise all the way. The only reason Lebron went back to Cleveland is because Miami met some resistance, DWade was declining, and he could team up with Kyrie and Kevin Love in his home state.

It's not about becoming a star. It's about sticking around with your first franchise after the 2nd contract.

Yeah good point. I think another issue for small market teams is that when they do hit on star, franchise changing level players, a lot of the time those guys are so good from the start so it makes it impossible for the team to tank again for another star.

 

[Ujfanatic]

Man, if Atlanta gets Murray and Gobert that team is going to be good. Putting two great defenders around Young (3 if they keep Hunter) and putting Gobert with two great passers.

 

[YoungJefe]

Man, if Atlanta gets Murray and Gobert that team is going to be good. Putting two great defenders around Young (3 if they keep Hunter) and putting Gobert with two great passers.

I just don't see how they can give up 3-4 firsts + players for Murray and still have enough to land Rudy.

 

[LoPo]

I just don't see how they can give up 3-4 firsts + players for Murray and still have enough to land Rudy.

Collins, Hunter, Capela, Huerter, and Griffin. Some combination of those guys will get it done. We would love a draft pick, and maybe we get one in the 2028 or something, but I think the deal can get done.

 

[YoungJefe]

Collins, Hunter, Capela, Huerter, and Griffin. Some combination of those guys will get it done. We would love a draft pick, and maybe we get one in the 2028 or something, but I think the deal can get done.

If they move 3-4 picks to San Antonio it'd be almost impossible for them to include a pick in a Rudy deal. And if they traded 3/4 those guys plus Gallo they'd be losing like half their rotation.

 

[LoPo]

If they move 3-4 picks to San Antonio it'd be almost impossible for them to include a pick in a Rudy deal. And if they traded 3/4 those guys plus Gallo they'd be losing like half their rotation.

Atlanta has an extra 1st in 2023 (Charlotte lottery protected). So let's say Atlanta gives 3 first round picks for Murray. Those could be 2 from 2023 and 1 from 2025.

Between getting Rudy Gobert and Murray, I could see Atlanta being willing to give up 4 first rounders. There's no reason to believe that any of those picks would be near the top 10 in that timeframe. Trae is signed until 2027.

Atlanta also has 4 extra 2nd round picks between now and 2027.

 

[Elizah Huge]

If they move 3-4 picks to San Antonio it'd be almost impossible for them to include a pick in a Rudy deal. And if they traded 3/4 those guys plus Gallo they'd be losing like half their rotation.

Griffin is like getting a lottery pick. He should have went top-10.

 

[YoungJefe]

Atlanta has an extra 1st in 2023 (Charlotte lottery protected). So let's say Atlanta gives 3 first round picks for Murray. Those could be 2 from 2023 and 1 from 2025.

Between getting Rudy Gobert and Murray, I could see Atlanta being willing to give up 4 first rounders. There's no reason to believe that any of those picks would be near the top 10 in that timeframe. Trae is signed until 2027.

Atlanta also has 4 extra 2nd round picks between now and 2027.

So we wouldn't be able to get a pick from them until 2027. I just don't see DA trading Rudy there after we failed to get anything done when they had a pick.

 

[YoungJefe]

Griffin is like getting a lottery pick. He should have went top-10.

I agree, I'm a Duke fan so I watch every game, I love AJ Griffin. I personally think he'll be better than Paolo and potentially the best guy from the class. I was stoked when they took him knowing him might be a trade piece for us.

 

[LoPo]

So we wouldn't be able to get a pick from them until 2027. I just don't see DA trading Rudy there after we failed to get anything done when they had a pick.

Who knows. Maybe San Antonio takes 2 from 2023 and one from 2027 while we get 2025.

Honestly, I'd be fine with Collins, Hunter, Griffin and Jalen Johnson. Give me that, and I'd be okay. Tons of youth and potential. Likely higher picks right there than anything Atlanta is going to have any time soon.

 

[jom2003]

More like Hawks is doing what we should have done.

If you wanna trade multiple draft picks to get a backcourt partner for your franchise player, go get a guy who has the size/athleticism to cover multiple positions, is in the early-mid stage of his prime and on a super team-friendly contract. We accomplished none of these things.