State of the Jazz
- Thread starter Craig K. Manscill
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NotDeadYet
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Craig, I'm with you on #2, but #5 is "iffy" at this point; wait until next season to decide who starts, as there are too many unknowns 'til then.
#1 - Millsap has great heart, which is something many NBA players lack. He continues to do what many thought he couldn't, myself included. Ty simply needs to figure out how to use him in matchups, which Jerry never did. Starting at PF every game is obviously NOT a good idea as he is horribly mismatched in many situations. Let him get his starts at either PF or SF, depending on matchups, and bring him off the bench when that is appropriate. A smart coach stays aware of what the matchups are during the course of the game.
#3 - Corbin deserves a little more patience, IMO. Give him at least a full year to get the Jazz ship righted...
#4 - Devin Harris is a quality PG by NBA standards. He's no Deron Williams, but adding Favors made this trade a no-brainer. Again, give Harris a year to learn the Jazz playbook and players. And oh, Harris has a bunch of young and new Jazz-men around him on the floor, so there will be mistakes and miscommunications 'til they all get some games TOGETHER under their belt.
NOTE - We will likely see 2 new guys on the roster next season unless we trade away those 2 first round picks. That'll be 5 guys on our 12 man roster with a year or less NBA experience. PATIENCE, young skywalkers...
#1 - Millsap has great heart, which is something many NBA players lack. He continues to do what many thought he couldn't, myself included. Ty simply needs to figure out how to use him in matchups, which Jerry never did. Starting at PF every game is obviously NOT a good idea as he is horribly mismatched in many situations. Let him get his starts at either PF or SF, depending on matchups, and bring him off the bench when that is appropriate. A smart coach stays aware of what the matchups are during the course of the game.
#3 - Corbin deserves a little more patience, IMO. Give him at least a full year to get the Jazz ship righted...
#4 - Devin Harris is a quality PG by NBA standards. He's no Deron Williams, but adding Favors made this trade a no-brainer. Again, give Harris a year to learn the Jazz playbook and players. And oh, Harris has a bunch of young and new Jazz-men around him on the floor, so there will be mistakes and miscommunications 'til they all get some games TOGETHER under their belt.
NOTE - We will likely see 2 new guys on the roster next season unless we trade away those 2 first round picks. That'll be 5 guys on our 12 man roster with a year or less NBA experience. PATIENCE, young skywalkers...
Scorpjazz
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Stifle Tower
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I agree re: Millsap. He was absolutely dominant against backup PF's and a solid short-term starter behind Boozer. Let him resume that role. He'll still get 30 mins. Favors is a tougher defender and can get points cleaning up Jefferson's misses. Have Favors start and Millsap can be the veteran leader of the 2nd unit.
We're stuck with Corbin, so might as well accept it. Personally, I don't want minor tweaks in Sloan's system. Harris ain't Stockton and Jefferson ain't Malone. And Hayward sure as hell isn't Bobby Hansen, Giricek or CJ Miles. Jazz need a fresh approach. They need some new offensive sets and an overhaul of their defense. Corbin isn't going to bring a new approach or fresh ideas.
As for Harris...meh. He's a short-term solution. Two more years and done. He'll either be dealt when his contract is in the last season, or the Jazz will start developing a young PG to take his place. Outside of Irving, there's no one in this draft, but the JAzz could use the GS pick next season for a PG.
jope
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DutchJazzer
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how aboutt aking the chicago jazz approach. dont practice offensive sets.
only defensive sets this summer
Chad Feldheimer
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Sorry, my response got totally messed by my computer.
1. Millsap
- I like his toughness , I say keep him
2. Draft solid palyers
- If we believe in Hayward, Favors & Evans, that is enough outh for me. I say trade them for proven playersd.
Corbin.
I agree, but we have 2 more years.
4. Get rid of Devin Harris
Agree. I do not like his play actually. He is way out of control and not good at making sure EVERYONE gets involved.
5. Start Hayward and Favors
Wow, that's a lot. I am a HUGE Hayward fan, but objectively speaking, I feel he has earned the right to be a *regular* bench player, getting a solid 20 minutes a night. I feel the same for Favors.
If we do start them both, that is even more of a sign we need to trade our upcoming picks for proven players. If we start them then stick to it all year and call it a rebuilding year.
They will have may ups/downs.
I like Hayward/Favors and Evans. If we commit to 3 of them, that is way more than enough youth for me.
1. Millsap
- I like his toughness , I say keep him
2. Draft solid palyers
- If we believe in Hayward, Favors & Evans, that is enough outh for me. I say trade them for proven playersd.
Corbin.
I agree, but we have 2 more years.
4. Get rid of Devin Harris
Agree. I do not like his play actually. He is way out of control and not good at making sure EVERYONE gets involved.
5. Start Hayward and Favors
Wow, that's a lot. I am a HUGE Hayward fan, but objectively speaking, I feel he has earned the right to be a *regular* bench player, getting a solid 20 minutes a night. I feel the same for Favors.
If we do start them both, that is even more of a sign we need to trade our upcoming picks for proven players. If we start them then stick to it all year and call it a rebuilding year.
They will have may ups/downs.
I like Hayward/Favors and Evans. If we commit to 3 of them, that is way more than enough youth for me.
Gyp Rosetti
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I agree, for the most part, with this entire post.
1. Maxiell and Millsap are about the same age if I'm not mistaken so reminiscent is a weird term to use. And he's better than Maxiell ever was. But your point is noted. His height will always be an issue and I don't necessarily disagree with that. I'd love to trade him to a habitual bottomfeeder.
2. We need more than just solid players. We need Irving, Williams or Barnes and for one of them to turn into a perennial all-star. But your point makes some sense.
3. THIS SHOULD BE PRIORITY NUMBER ONE. The guy couldn't coach his way out of a paper bag and yet the FO prematurely gave him an extension and people continue to support him. It boggles my mind. JVG in here with the length of Favors and Jefferson up front could do wonders.
4. Totally agree.
5. Ditto.
Craig K. Manscill
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Now, there are several other issues we must address now that those are out of the way and consensually agreed upon.
6. Give Raja Bell His Minutes
I know you're thinking, "Woah, woah, give Raja his minutes?" Hear me out here. If there's one guy who can help the Jazz mentality on this day forward, it's Raja. He has more leadership in his pinky finger than Corbin has in his uterus. I say give him the reigns to the franchise and let him do what he does best.
7. Let Kirilenko Go
The man who has been kept solely on his +/- merits should know that this isn't the end. But it is as far as we're concerned. Cut ties, leave a little slack, and let's see what happens, let's see where it goes from here.
8. Extend CJ Miles
You may not like him, because, what, he shoots too much?? Okay. But he's the only one willing to shoot and miss those shots, most of the team doesn't like missing, but CJ DOES. That's something beneficial to a team. He is the closest thing we have to a hero.
9. Convince the Miller family to leave
Their time has run their course. I remember when LHM wouldn't let that movie be in the theaters. Well, it's happening again. The LHM family isn't letting our team play in the limelight. We're still being spoonfed by these guys, but they don't have any idea what time it is. Bring back the old slogan and rip off the Laker's offensive sets. Get Gail a chair by the fire, it's bingo time, or at least time for some tea and crumpits.
- Craig
6. Give Raja Bell His Minutes
I know you're thinking, "Woah, woah, give Raja his minutes?" Hear me out here. If there's one guy who can help the Jazz mentality on this day forward, it's Raja. He has more leadership in his pinky finger than Corbin has in his uterus. I say give him the reigns to the franchise and let him do what he does best.
7. Let Kirilenko Go
The man who has been kept solely on his +/- merits should know that this isn't the end. But it is as far as we're concerned. Cut ties, leave a little slack, and let's see what happens, let's see where it goes from here.
8. Extend CJ Miles
You may not like him, because, what, he shoots too much?? Okay. But he's the only one willing to shoot and miss those shots, most of the team doesn't like missing, but CJ DOES. That's something beneficial to a team. He is the closest thing we have to a hero.
9. Convince the Miller family to leave
Their time has run their course. I remember when LHM wouldn't let that movie be in the theaters. Well, it's happening again. The LHM family isn't letting our team play in the limelight. We're still being spoonfed by these guys, but they don't have any idea what time it is. Bring back the old slogan and rip off the Laker's offensive sets. Get Gail a chair by the fire, it's bingo time, or at least time for some tea and crumpits.
- Craig
