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Stephen Jackson calls out Utah fans now.

. What's the general response here? Being offended that Utah is being attacked.

I think some us don’t like being generalized and given a bad name that we didn’t earn.
Kinda ironic really. It’s totally fine for these players to generalize a whole state of people.
 
Just look at how the word "thug" has been used in the news over the last several years man. It's clearly a racially charged word now.

Language evolves and changes. If you are that upset you cant use the word "thug" without evoking negative feelings from people because of the way the word has evolved, then tough ******* man.

And your perfectly welcome to not give a **** about how people feel about you saying it, but dont turn around and cry about how people feel about you using it.

I see the word thug used for white people more than anyone.
Go to you tube and search thug life videos and get back to me on what you see.
 
I really have no idea why everyone is so quick to defend against the thought that there is probably some racist people in a sample size of 18,000+ fans on any given game night. Odds say they are definitely in there. And out of those select people, there are probalby some who have a few too many one night and let something slip. Not everyone is waiting by them with an iphone ready to expose them, especially when doing so wouldnt reflect on them well as a Utah Jazz fan.

With the Westbrook thing it actually is on video though. We actually know that the security guard knows what was said and we know that fans get kicked out for saying racist things.

Look, what happened here is a fan said “how are your ankles” to Westbrook. Another fan filmed him with his phone. Are either of those things racist? Imo the answer is no (though maybe talking about a black persons ankles is in fact racist in many peoples eyes). Then based off those incidents Westbrook claims that Utah fans are racist.

Wonder why any of us would have a problem with that.
 
I don't think this is a race issue. It is a hate issue however. Jazz have very "good" fans and fan base. By good, we support our team at a very high level and we believe 'good' fans do a 'good job' at hating the other team. And some of the style of "support" is very aggressive and in my mind hateful. I'll call it high-grade taunting. The whole UofU vs BYU thing puts a significant level of hate into the rivalry and into the fandom on both sides. The hatred shared back and forth there is not about being racist. But there is high-level taunting by two groups that don't like each other. And thus the state of Utah has a high tolerance for, and a lot of practice a this high-level taunting.

I've been to a lot of Jazz games as well as a lot UofU and BYU events and I feel the behavior is pretty much the same on high-level taunting. One example I'm familiar with that is not racist per se, but was high-grade taunt, I watched from 4th row close to GSW bench, a fan take on Kevin Durrant. It was very mean spirited about him being not man-enough or not having the leadership to take his own team to a championship. Which at some level is a fair game topic. However, it went on for enough time and was harsh enought that Durrant started talking back and so the fan was told to back down by security. I don't remember any sort of reference to race or use of 'the latest words of the day' which indicate racism. It was simply hate filled taunting about Kevin's manhood and what a wuss he is.

Now if you are familiar with hate speech used at you with respect to RACE, you probably just assume this sort of high-grade taunt is racist in intent. That is why I think many on this forum are saying "I don't think Utah is racist - I've just not heard it and there have been so little evidence of it recorded." I think that statement is true. However, I think Utah is a 10 on a scale of 10 for being high-grade taunters from all the practice. And I think a lot of other NBA cities are just not even close in this regard. LA Laker fans in the lower bowl don't even show up usually (so the saying goes). Atlanta fans don't cheer... etc. And probably in many cities where the race issue is more raw, the idea of taunting, let alone high grade taunting, isn't as prevalent/aggressive.

There's some truth to this. There's a level of nastiness to the U v Y thing that's uncommon outside of the SEC. Some of the fans carry that over to the Jazz games.

It's a real stretch to say this is racism. I can't think of someone more ill-suited to comment on fans' bad behavior. What, Ron Artest wasn't available.
 
thug
[thuhg]
noun
1. a cruel or vicious ruffian, robber, or murderer.
2. (sometimes initial capital letter) one of a former group of professional robbers and murderers in India who strangled their victims.

Yeah, I have no problem using this word to described Westbrook for his style of play in game 4. And I don't give a damn what some SJW has to say about my use of the term.
 
This is the next Me Too movement all these guys gonna come out and say Utah fans are mean racists.
 
What if it's just one black guy yelling the n-word constantly but no one can see him because its like trying to find a needle in the haystack?

Except that dude is sitting next to people. Unless he is some sort of master level ventriloquist. I call bunk on this. Remember that NC player that accused Britton Johnson of dropping racial slurs on him? It was a lie he made up because a backwater white dude kicked his ***. Britton suffered for it. The guy making it up didn't.
 
I like how the words of a scumbag like Steven Jackson are supposed to carry any water.
I mean, there is visual evidence in his case.....

Do you not see the racial connotations in putting a black man in a prison suit? It's equivalent of when European soccer arenas throw bananas at black players. The message is clear.
 
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