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Study finds Democrats exaggerated mental distress after 2016 election
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Hotdog
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OMG guys.
Russia bought some Facebook ads and totally interfered with the election. How dare they
*meanwhile America invades countries, kills thousands of people, and over throws governments. All the while preaching the better good.
Well, in my humble opinion, Donald Trump was the better good over Hillary Clinton.
Red
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Read the Mueller Report.
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To the subject at hand, the "distress" experienced by some by the election of Donald Trump....
I experience a great deal of internal conflict when I consider the idea of America, and the history of America. On the one hand, I learned to oppose American imperialistic ambitions. I did not find it always dovetailed with the ideal of expanding human freedoms at the heart of our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution. (And I do recognize that those freedoms took time, and a good deal of conflict and internal warfare to really be achieved. At first, property qualifications to "earn" the right to vote, the elimination of slavery, an entire sex denied the vote until a mere hundred years ago). There is so much of our history that simply is not pretty, and strays far from the idealized view I was taught in grammar and high school.
Yet, it's really seems like a stab to the heart to see our president trash our friends and allies, and praise the worst authoritarians in the world. Telling the president of the Philippines that he was doing a "great job" with his nations' drug problem, knowing it included extrajudicial killings of drug users, including by the Phillipine president himself. Standing before the world's cameras in Helsinki and saying he believed the man who ordered the attack on our democratic institution of free elections. Or, most recently, cozying up to the leader of Hungary, a man who wishes to create an ethnostate: https://news.google.com/articles/CA...w5vrMATC_9SQwxbyWAw?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en
When I consider those approaches by Trump, the idealistic image that was instilled into me in my youngest years, reasserts itself, despite a more realistic and jaded understanding of our history. I want us to be better then this. I want a leader that wants us to be better then that. I believe we are a unique experiment in the history of the world. Whatever idealism that remains toward my country simply recoils at how far removed Trump seems to be from reflecting our values. But it is a matter of intense internal conflict on my part, contradictory forces internally are at play, it's not an easy go of it.
I experience a great deal of internal conflict when I consider the idea of America, and the history of America. On the one hand, I learned to oppose American imperialistic ambitions. I did not find it always dovetailed with the ideal of expanding human freedoms at the heart of our Declaration of Independence and our Constitution. (And I do recognize that those freedoms took time, and a good deal of conflict and internal warfare to really be achieved. At first, property qualifications to "earn" the right to vote, the elimination of slavery, an entire sex denied the vote until a mere hundred years ago). There is so much of our history that simply is not pretty, and strays far from the idealized view I was taught in grammar and high school.
Yet, it's really seems like a stab to the heart to see our president trash our friends and allies, and praise the worst authoritarians in the world. Telling the president of the Philippines that he was doing a "great job" with his nations' drug problem, knowing it included extrajudicial killings of drug users, including by the Phillipine president himself. Standing before the world's cameras in Helsinki and saying he believed the man who ordered the attack on our democratic institution of free elections. Or, most recently, cozying up to the leader of Hungary, a man who wishes to create an ethnostate: https://news.google.com/articles/CA...w5vrMATC_9SQwxbyWAw?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US:en
When I consider those approaches by Trump, the idealistic image that was instilled into me in my youngest years, reasserts itself, despite a more realistic and jaded understanding of our history. I want us to be better then this. I want a leader that wants us to be better then that. I believe we are a unique experiment in the history of the world. Whatever idealism that remains toward my country simply recoils at how far removed Trump seems to be from reflecting our values. But it is a matter of intense internal conflict on my part, contradictory forces internally are at play, it's not an easy go of it.
Red
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Yeah, you've used this argument several times in the various Trump threads. We cannot erase the less then noble things that are a part of our history. But, that does not mean we must lay down and say "oh well, we surely had it coming by now. What goes around comes around". No, we can actually still stand up for ourselves and defend ourselves when our own sovereignty is attacked.
RJF
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I find it curious that we(most people) are so adamantly against the US being interfered with but don’t show the same outrage when the US sloppily interferes with other countries elections. Both sides of the political spectrum are wrought with hypocrisy(some more than others) but you’d be more likely to win the lotto than have one of them admit it.
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Well duh. That's human nature. When something is done to you, you will usually hate it more than when the same thing happens to someone else.
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We had a two investigation that resulted in the indictment of a couple of dozen people, including several Russian nationals, for various types of election interference.
Guys, let’s stop piling on. I mean the guy is trying to save face as this presidency goes up in flames.
Never seen so many thin skinned snowflakes in my life. Stop picking on poor little Donnie and his minions.
Since the birth certificate was produced it has been a stream of tears.
Never seen so many thin skinned snowflakes in my life. Stop picking on poor little Donnie and his minions.
Since the birth certificate was produced it has been a stream of tears.
Wow you really hate America.
Stars Fan
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You clearly didn't read the report. There was tons of evidence of Russian interference. Tons. Missed by those breathing a sigh of relief that there was no "smocking" gun that the Trump campaign conspired with the Russians.
People. Please read the report. There are executive summaries of the two parts of the investigation. It takes 15 minutes to read them.
Stars Fan
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Please read the executive summaries of the report, it's easy to do.