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SUCCES! the left winning at banning guns!!!!!!!!!

Dr. Jones said:
Samesies on the love/respect thing.

I don't think it's any different at all. Except for scale.
My home is my country. My family is its civilians. I am troubled at how it's different.

I mean this with the utmost respect, but I think your paradigm would change if you were holding your own, innocent, precious child(ren). It changes you in ways that are incomprehensible.
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it's completely, wholly, and utterly different.
 
dalamon said:
and that's cool until (god-forbid) one of our kids gets shot up in a movie-theatre or a school or a subway or ____________ because some dickhead with e mental illness was able to get a gun as easily as a pack of cigarettes.

No one is trying to take guns away because we don't think the safety of your children matters. I think that's a huge, huge misconception.

People want to restrict guns because they think leaving the protection of children via firearms solely in the hands of their parents via enabling gun access is actually more dangerous in the long run. Those in the right believe fiercely in self-sustainability. This is a farce. No one can take care of their family better than they can, via guns. The government can't protect them as well as they themselves.

Unfortunately, the statistics continue to be slanted against you.
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And stats neither kill my kids not protect them.
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Stats don't pertain to my home.
 
Dr. Jones said:
Hit me when you have a wife you love and kids... Then we'll talk.
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I have loved ones that I still live with in a daily basis in Canada (albeit not currently).

You're implying that once I have a wife and children, I will have a heightened sense of being responsible for the protection of my children.

Look. There are fathers all across the world who are anti-guns. You don't love your kids more than they do. You just come from a stance of feeling self-made, and not trusting the government to any large extent really (one axiom of this being the protection of your family).
 
dalamon said:
Who is the government that is governing the entire world, and making sure nations aren't going after each other? Enjoy comparing the efficacy of UN to the US government.
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Where is the government that knows my kid's names, what makes them laugh??
Again.. Just wait til u have em
 
Dr. Jones said:
And stats neither kill my kids not protect them.
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Stats don't pertain to my home.
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and your guns aren't going to protect your kids when they're going to colleges and movie theatres, and an idiot with a gun decides to go off.
 
Dr. Jones said:
Where is the government that knows my kid's names, what makes them laugh??
Again.. Just wait til u have em
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avoiding my point dawg. comparing military access to guns to civilian access is crazy, man.
 
fishonjazz said:
So someone breaks into your house and has a gun. You also have a gun. A shootout occurs. Many shots are fired. A bullet finds you or your family.
Doesn't have to be that a child gets their hands on your gun to have your family hurt by your gun.

Maybe that same criminal breaks into your home with a gun and simply steals some **** and leaves everyone unharmed if you don't own a gun.

I find it funny that people think owning a gun magically protects them from the bad guys.
From your two experiences you shared no one was hurt (you had no gun)
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A criminal breaks into your house, no guns involved whatsoever, and takes the chance that you let the criminal walk without testifying, identifying, calling the police, & chasing him down the street with a garden hoe?

I don't think someone brazen enough to break into an occupied house has the mild character you are building here.
 
Dr. Jones said:
It's called a starting point or speaking point. One shouldn't always spew their beliefs in an instant if they are truly engaged in meaningful conversation.

I asked the question because pro-gun posters are being heckled with labels such as paranoid and afraid of their neighbors.

Having a military is admitting the same, imo, albeit on a much larger scale.

Let me get on a personal level, Jake. I never owned a gun, ever, until about the time I had my third child. My wife was jogging on our street and a guy pulled up and grabbed her trying to force her into his vehicle. Luckily, my wife is kind of a badass so it didn't work. Not more than 3 months later we had someone break our backdoor while we were asleep and entered our home. Thankfully, he had broken into several homes that night and police were on his trail. Almost the same time he entered police came right behind him. He had held another family that night at gunpoint.

I decided to buy protection as a DUTY to my family. I don't expect everyone to agree with me, but I would expect most reasonable people to appreciate my right to do so.
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Aren't most heinous crimes committed on victims by people they know? If paranoia is the anti-gun crowd's logic then it's straight silly. I have enough respect for most posters to think (hope) that's not what they actually meant to say.
 
I played long enough... There's no easy answers.

Bottom line is I will always have the ability to protect my family. I hope I never need it.

It's besides the point that we differ in opinion and that I feel sorry (even pity) those that subscribe to a "government help us" mentality. No offense intended.

Godspeed to us all. <3
 
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