Supreme Court Justice Kennedy to Retire

[idestroyedthetoilet]

Up until abortion became a large issue, my father was a social Dem, fiscal Conservative. Voted both party many times. My mother on the other hand is very conservative.

Despite living in an incredibly conservative area (my family was thought of as the liberals of our group) we did manage to make family friends with Senator Max Baucus, and we’re pretty friendly with Senator Tester as well.

It’s funny. When you go to DC, or state events and talk to your representatives, they don’t disagree on much. But the parties don’t like it when they cross lines, so they don’t. Getting re-elected matters more than doing what they want.

Most politicians agree on almost everything and have good solutions, but we the people vote them out when they vote as representatives. We are a bunch of know-it-all idiots. They are sent there to study things out, have resources at their disposal, can be counselled by professionals, question authority figures and insiders, and get intelligence briefings. But they know nothing, right?

A good example of this was Utah voting longtime senator Bob Bennett out of office after the 2008 crash. "Bailout Bob" voted for TARP and got thrown out for it. The bill was absolutely necessary, so Republicans basically drew straws on who had to vote for it and accept the consequences and who got to vote against it and get re-elected.

There is a video out there of legislators getting interviewed in a private setting. They answered questions opposite of how they did in public, and mostly agreed on solutions.

We cant get out of our own way by letting them do their jobs. Then complain endlessly about them.

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

It's very likely that, should the Democrats win the House in November, impeachment proceedings would soon begin for Kavanaugh. Conviction in the Senate would be unlikely, but this is one scenario in which anything that turns up could reflect poorly on the Republican senators who voted for him, so as political animals, the Democrats would almost surely do this, and the charge would most likely involve perjury. I think a clear perception by the Democrats that the FBI investigation was a sham would guarantee such a move. And if he lied under oath, as a judge he should be impeached regardless of what court he sits on.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...ould-follow-heres-how/?utm_term=.c96f6a2de748

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2018/10/03/democratic-house-impeach-kavanaugh-220921

That would be as horrible an act as it gets. Using party control to load appointed positions with agenda driven people, and to invalidate the will of the people by removing previous appointees, does nothing but undermine our institutions and democracy itself.

The democrats started this under Obama and it wasn't taken well. Keep it up and you'll divide the American people away from your republic in name only.

 

[gandalfe]

That would be as horrible an act as it gets. Using party control to load appointed positions with agenda driven people, and to invalidate the will of the people by removing previous appointees, does nothing but undermine our institutions and democracy itself.

The democrats started this under Obama and it wasn't taken well. Keep it up and you'll divide the American people away from your republic in name only.

Right. Obama was the first person to make political appointments. But, you know, that was all part of his cunning plan to take away your guns and declare Shania law. And he would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!

 

[JAZZGASM]

Right. Obama was the first person to make political appointments. But, you know, that was all part of his cunning plan to take away your guns and declare Shania law. And he would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!

I always suspected that Obama was working in secret with Canada and Shania Twain to enact Shania law. Thank god we were able to prevent it.

 

[fishonjazz]

But that is exactly what Ford should have done? Some investigating?

You are grasping at straws to discredit these women. It is ridiculous.

Even if we forget all that sexual stuff and his temperament. He is clearly a liar of the under oath variety.

You or I can lie about our history and behavior because Joe you and I don't ****ing matter. Our integrity is not the lynchpin of American truth. The Supreme Court is! We cannot abide liars. We need 9 centrist (honestly conservative leaning) justices who have the respect of all the people. Their decisions must have legitimacy or else our American experiment will cease to be.

To be fair to joe, he has said multiple times that he doesnt want this dude to be confirmed and that he (joe) doesnt want this dude on the supreme court.

 

[One Brow]

She did not specify the year. She said she wasn't sure. In her sworn testimony she said maybe they could check Safeway's personnel records because it was the same summer that Mark Judge worked there. She knows that because she recalls an uncomfortable encounter when she ran into him there and he was no longer friendly like he used to be. She seemed to imply that he was embarrassed.

Don't give me a lecture when you don't know what you are talking about.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/inve...bd52dfe917b_story.html?utm_term=.59a095fec90f

After so many years, Ford said, she does not remember some key details of the incident. She said she believes it occurred in the summer of 1982, when she was 15, around the end of her sophomore year at the all-girls Holton-Arms School in Bethesda. Kavanaugh would have been 17 at the end of his junior year at Georgetown Prep.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

To be fair to joe, he has said multiple times that he doesnt want this dude to be confirmed and that he (joe) doesnt want this dude on the supreme court.

The above is true. Thanks fish.

Also, like fish, I have never attempted to rape anyone. But I have had the very miserable experience of being accused of serious wrongdoing by a woman and having to clear my name. I think that those of you who say it's so important that we simply take women at their word are seriously underestimating how important the presumption of innocence has been to this country's legal code. As important as it is that women are empowered and that victims of rape are given the help they need, it would be a major step in the wrong direction for our country to assume that anyone is guilty of anything, simply because they have been accused.

 

[Red]

Here are a couple of articles that may provide food for thought regarding issues described in this thread. This first article raises the issue of so-called implanted memories, and the issues of false memories, and the role hypnosis during psychotherapy may reenforce or even create false memories, while admitting we have no idea if Ford's psychotherapist employed hypnosis in sessions with Dr. Ford:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/a...d_the_implanted_memory_theory_138263.amp.html

I don't believe it's entirely unfair to examine this subject of memory.

It occurs to me that one of the ways we can divide the sides represented in this thread is to say some have been concerned with being certain we are being fair to the accuser, and by extension, fair to the testimony of women. And some have been concerned with making sure we are being fair to the accused, and by extension, fair to men. Of course the president, and most of the Republican men on the Judiciary Committee have defended fairness to the accused. And the Democrats have questioned the honest and thorough effort of the FBI report(1000 pages!!) and fairness to the accused. The above article is something those most concerned with the effect of men in our society and sexual assault accusations against men, may find of interest.

And, in the following article, Suzanne Moore of The Guardian argues what she believes will be the effect upon, and response from, women, should Kavanaugh be confirmed. She argues that the anger of women will be unstoppable. Of course, there are many women who in fact support Kavanaugh. It will be very interesting to see what effect the decision on Kavanaugh will have on the midterms. If he fails, will that energize and increase the turnout of Trump's base? I should think, but that's JMO. If he is confirmed, will that energize and increase the likelihood of a blue wave, led by women? Well, we shall see:

https://amp.theguardian.com/comment...ssault-abortion-kavanaugh-women-voices-bodies

 

[DutchJazzer]

isn't anybody scared as to what this woman said

basically she said if you disagree with her you have no right to due process. in history i have seen these kind of people. These people turn into murderous dictators once they have power.

this is the definition of fascism. you disagreee with me so you should be locked up! wow the left showing it's true colors.

go ahead mods ban me. but also ban thriller cus he said things much much much much worse about republicans in this very thread.

ooh wait you can call repubs every name under the sun. but dare call democrats a bad word and you get banned!


this kind of politiican should scare every single person. wether you have same viewpoint as her or not. because 1 day she might disagree with YOU!

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

isn't anybody scared as to what this woman said

basically she said if you disagree with her you have no right to due process. in history i have seen these kind of people. These people turn into murderous dictators once they have power.

this is the definition of fascism. you disagreee with me so you should be locked up! wow the left showing it's true colors.

go ahead mods ban me. but also ban thriller cus he said things much much much much worse about republicans in this very thread.

ooh wait you can call repubs every name under the sun. but dare call democrats a bad word and you get banned!


this kind of politiican should scare every single person. wether you have same viewpoint as her or not. because 1 day she might disagree with YOU!

Idiot!! Every politician that went to Yale Hhhhharvard or any other prestigious school scares me. Let’s call it as it is and say both parties are ****ing broken. I just wish I, we could throw a monkey wrench into the political prossess, but they, Dems and republicans have fixed things so we can’t.


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[DutchJazzer]

Idiot!! Every politician that went to Yale Hhhhharvard or any other prestigious school scares me. Let’s call it as it is and say both parties are ****ing broken. I just wish I, we could throw a monkey wrench into the political prossess, but they, Dems and republicans have fixed things so we can’t.


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I'm not your idiot, buddy

to some trump is that monkey wrench. im not an american. but if i was in 2016 i would not have voted for him.
i would never voted. but i am thinking of voting in next election. ebcause tyrany in the eu is getting out of hand. it hitet real hard with new financial regulations forced by eu on me. so now that they hit my pocket i am seriously considering voting.


but as a real jew(unlike feinstein and schumer) i am so happy with mr trump!!!

 

[idestroyedthetoilet]

Right. Obama was the first person to make political appointments. But, you know, that was all part of his cunning plan to take away your guns and declare Shania law. And he would have gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!

Look, I dont give a damn about a political side here. It's clear to me that Obama had an over-the-top approach to governing through activist appointees. To me, the democrats seem hell bent on continuing this approach, thus throwing separation of powers completely aside. Disagree if you like, it doesn't matter or change the underlying point.

I'm not a buyer of the unitary president hardliner myth. I line up more with Cass Sunstein here (an Obama friend from Chicago and advisor). I don't see much good in one person having the type of power that erases the lines between the 3 branches entirely in several areas of governing. Power of the branches often overlaps in practice and purpose, even though we are taught strict separation as we learn about the structure. This separation of powers isn't exactly real so I don't want any president or political party to continue blurring these questioned lines in the sand with overreaching activism that effectively removes all separation of powers and any semblance of rationality.