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Supreme Court Justice Kennedy to Retire

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Term limits are needed bigtime, funny how it seems all americans are for them but alas.... professional politicians will never stand for that.
 
Stoked said:
I’m glad you don’t like the Rs. Good.

And I find little value in the R v D discussion as far as worth. We both have our minds made up on that issue.

As for your worry for the future. On that we agree.
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Seriously you are one of the most disingenuous people on this forum.

You are a dyed-in-the-wool Republican in sheep's clothing.
 
♪alt13 said:
I disagree

The Democrats had contol of all 3 houses early in Obama's Presidency. We weren't worried about our institutions even those of us that disagreed with them on many issues.

The Republicans have since then undermined democracy through intense gerrymandering, adopted bogus conspiracy theories as fact, erased any hint of decency and respect that may have existed, and through the Garland-Kavanaugh event destroyed trust in the most trusted of our branches of government.

The Republicans over the last decade have terrorized America and her institutions. This is what paves the way for fascists. I am more and more worried that Trump may be a mere side note in history. That the worst is still to come. The Republicans have set us on a most dangerous path.

I worry for my children. I worry that they will come of age in a militant fascist society. That guy, that demagogue is out there and our institutions may no longer be strong enough to stop him.

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This cracks me up. You could swap the players and this post would ring true for the other side.

♪alt13 said:
Seriously you are one of the most disingenuous people on this forum.
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I think Stoked is one of the most reasonable and moderate posters here without being a douche. He's been on a tear the past couple of weeks and I hope all is well with him and his family because he hasn't been his normal self.
 
Zombie said:
Look, if you don't think there's a party in the country that does a good enough job of representing your views, don't join one.

But to get all high and mighty over people who do think so, doesn't make you a better or smarter person.
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I haven't.

But I do think it's silly to jump on the team and get emotionally connected to the outcomes of professional politicians. If that's me being all high and mighty (I don't think it is) please understand, I'm not looking down on people for belonging to a political party. I do, however, think they need to really ask themselves if the party represents them more or if they begin to represent the party more.

The Republican party is a pretty fantastic example, at the moment. Go back 10 years... in no way shape or form should today's Republican party appeal to Republicans of 10 years ago. Yet it does. Most people who were Republicans 10 years ago are Republicans today. So those little Republican children followed their party to the place they are in right now. They did not lead their party here. The Party is not here because they wanted, expected or acted to bring it here. They followed it here.

So you are getting all worked up because I started out talking about your team, but step the **** back and look at the ****ing mess.
 
Bulletproof said:
I haven't.

But I do think it's silly to jump on the team and get emotionally connected to the outcomes of professional politicians. If that's me being all high and mighty (I don't think it is) please understand, I'm not looking down on people for belonging to a political party. I do, however, think they need to really ask themselves if the party represents them more or if they begin to represent the party more.

The Republican party is a pretty fantastic example, at the moment. Go back 10 years... in no way shape or form should today's Republican party appeal to Republicans of 10 years ago. Yet it does. Most people who were Republicans 10 years ago are Republicans today. So those little Republican children followed their party to the place they are in right now. They did not lead their party here. The Party is not here because they wanted, expected or acted to bring it here. They followed it here.

So you are getting all worked up because I started out talking about your team, but step the **** back and look at the ****ing mess.
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I'm not sure where you are getting the idea that I'm worked up, simply because I disagree with you.

As for for the Republican party there actually is a way shape and form (actually a fair number of them) that the GOP continues to use to appeal to their members, and have since the parties realigned last century.

The reason I, probably Thriller, and millions of others fight for one party over the other is that we genuinely believe that the dangers presented by the Republican party are better faced within an organized structure. The Republican party's biggest strength is its ability to organize and mobilize, it doesn't make sense to me that neutering the only other major political party is the best way to stop them.
 
If a person disagreed with every other position the Democrats had aside from Climate change, that issue alone would be worth joining the party and working to get more Democrats in office.
 
Zombie said:
I'm not sure where you are getting the idea that I'm worked up, simply because I disagree with you.
As for for the Republican party there actually is a way shape and form (actually a fair number of them) that the GOP continues to use to appeal to their members, and have since the parties realigned last century.
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Sorry, I don't mean to assume you're "worked up" but you have taken exception to my comments. That's what I'm referring to.

So I'd make the analogy of flavor profiles in beer. All beer has a little bittering addition, some beers feature it. Some beers lean towards a malty balance. Some have a roast character. So yeah, last century there were hints within the Republican party of the character it has now taken on, but the balance is not the same. You're talking about an English Golden ale becoming an IPA and saying "Yeah, well there was a bitterness in there from way back, so it's pretty much the same beer." It isn't. The balance has shifted, hard.
 
And "in" before someone like Dutch mentions the Democrats was once the preferred party of the KKK.
 
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