Supreme Court Justice Kennedy to Retire

[One Brow]

I don't know, they didn't boot Clinton and the allegations were many, including rape. But they rallied around him.

20 years ago. I was a lot more sexist 20 years ago. People learn, priorities change.

Tbh Franken feels like a patsy so the dems can always invoke his name at times like this, conveniently ignoring a past of not taking women seriously about claims of sexual assault.

Do you have a more recent example than Clinton for that?

 

[JAZZGASM]

20 years ago. I was a lot more sexist 20 years ago. People learn, priorities change.



Do you have a more recent example than Clinton for that?

Keith Ellison's alleged misconduct has been largely ignored by Dems. How about Gil Cisneros? He will likely lose, but I don't see the Dem party going after him. Claims that Hillary threatened Bill's accusers were also largely ignored during Hillary's campaigns.

Dems have been better about sexual harrassment type claims, but they are far from perfect.

If there was not photographic evidence, I am not sure Franken would have resigned.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Multiple women have accused him of sexual assault!

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

20 years ago. I was a lot more sexist 20 years ago. People learn, priorities change.



Do you have a more recent example than Clinton for that?

Lol. The Republicans were going crazy about the Clinton sex scandals. If you don't realize that the Dems "who cares?" reaction to his behavior played a large role in the Republicans not caring about Trump's you aren't paying attention. And Clinton is a much more recent example than you're willing to admit because, according to accusers, his wife made veiled threats to them that the Dems still didn't care about when she ran for president a couple years ago. Plus there's Keith Ellison. And Weinstein, who was getting away with awful behavior for years and years was a big Dem supporter who all of the Dems wanted to be photographed with until finally the dam broke and media were forced to publish accusations that they'd been actively suppressing for years. Taking the position that the Dems have the moral high ground on this subject is laughable. But predictably, that is their position.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Lol. The Republicans were going crazy about the Clinton sex scandals. If you don't realize that the Dems "who cares?" reaction to his behavior played a large role in the Republicans not caring about Trump's you aren't paying attention. And Clinton is a much more recent example than you're willing to admit because, according to accusers, his wife made veiled threats to them that the Dems still didn't care about when she ran for president a couple years ago. Plus there's Keith Ellison. And Weinstein, who was getting away with awful behavior for years and years was a big Dem supporter who all of the Dems wanted to be photographed with until finally the dam broke and media were forced to publish accusations that they'd been actively suppressing for years. Taking the position that the Dems have the moral high ground on this subject is laughable. But predictably, that is their position.

Which is why I say eff both parties. Unless they somehow grow a decent set of ethics, I will never vote for either party again


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[FalseFlagg K]

Which is why I say eff both parties. Unless they somehow grow a decent set of ethics, I will never vote for either party again


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sensible outlook from what i observe

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

That's weird because there have been a few Democratic politicians who have been accused of sexual misconduct recently and I don't remember crying about it being a Republican conspiracy. Huh.

So if the Dems had control of the presidency and both houses but were fearful of losing it soon, and they had the opportunity to seat a Supreme Court justice and were headed to the vote when suddenly Republicans claimed there was an anonymous claim that they said required investigation, you believe that the Dems would stop everything and say, "Gee, this sure sounds credible. Let's halt everything and risk losing our opportunity while we give control over to the minority and see how long they can tie this thing up?"

Even if you are not willing to admit which side of that argument you'd fall on, I've been around long enough to know exactly what would happen. The vast majority of people are choosing their side in these sqabbles not based on the facts, but based on politics.

This particular instance was a perfect storm for the Democrats. In my opinion they will come out the big winner because growing numbers of conservatives (myself included) now believe that Kavanaugh should not be confirmed, and that means a significant opportunity lost for the Republicans. Kavanaugh lied to us. People on both sides should be pissed.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

Oh come on. What kind of logic is that? Something that happened 20 years ago is a better indicator of what the party believes in than what they are doing now? Makes no sense.

How old are you? I have a feeling your opinion on this matter will change by age 45 at the latest.

 

[Zombie]

How old are you? I have a feeling your opinion on this matter will change by age 45 at the latest.

Is there something magical about turning 45 that makes you believe stupid ****? Because otherwise I don’t see it happening. Take one look at the country and tell me we’re in the same place as we were 20 years ago with regard to gender politics.

 

[fishonjazz]

Lol. The Republicans were going crazy about the Clinton sex scandals. If you don't realize that the Dems "who cares?" reaction to his behavior played a large role in the Republicans not caring about Trump's you aren't paying attention.

This is the problem. You shouldnt just be like “well other dudes 20 years ago acted like assholes so now we should too”

 

[Zombie]

So if the Dems had control of the presidency and both houses but were fearful of losing it soon, and they had the opportunity to seat a Supreme Court justice and were headed to the vote when suddenly Republicans claimed there was an anonymous claim that they said required investigation, you believe that the Dems would stop everything and say, "Gee, this sure sounds credible. Let's halt everything and risk losing our opportunity while we give control over to the minority and see how long they can tie this thing up?"

Even if you are not willing to admit which side of that argument you'd fall on, I've been around long enough to know exactly what would happen. The vast majority of people are choosing their side in these sqabbles not based on the facts, but based on politics.

This particular instance was a perfect storm for the Democrats. In my opinion they will come out the big winner because growing numbers of conservatives (myself included) now believe that Kavanaugh should not be confirmed, and that means a significant opportunity lost for the Republicans. Kavanaugh lied to us. People on both sides should be pissed.

There are plenty of false equivalencies you’ve made in this little scenario, but generally yes, I do believe if the democrats nominated someone to the Supreme Court with credible sexual assault allegations against them they would investigate the claims, if for no other reason than that their core constituency would demand it of them. That is something that does actually differentiate the parties, if a Dem president gave a stump speech for a Roy Moore type for example they would catch hell for it from their base, a Republican President on the other hand...not so much.

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

This is the problem. You shouldnt just be like “well other dudes 20 years ago acted like assholes so now we should too”

That's not what I'm saying at all. What I'm saying is that politics is a dirty business and it always will be. Both parties have proven that they are willing to look the other way regarding ethics when it's to their political advantage. I've seen it happen repeatedly, and I've seen supporters on both sides climb on board with bad behavior. I think it is unfortunately true that in politics, "nice guys finish last."