Singleton is a College PF, who shot 43% from the floor (horrible stat for a PF) en route to getting 13 ppg as a Junior, who will turn 22 later this year. This guy is end of first round at best, certainly no lottery material.
The article Jimmer fans don't want to read
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Singleton is a College PF, who shot 43% from the floor (horrible stat for a PF) en route to getting 13 ppg as a Junior, who will turn 22 later this year. This guy is end of first round at best, certainly no lottery material.
Gyp Rosetti
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He also shot decently (37% I think without looking it up) from three and is the best wing defender in this draft.
True, which is why I think he is a first round prospect. But still 43% at PF spot is ridiculously horrendous. And he did not exactly lead NCAA in scoring with 13 ppg. Jimmer is just a so much better prospect.
gomretat
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He had several teammates with as good of shooting percentage as his. Jackson dropped the last 3 weeks of the season - likely because of tired legs from playing defense alone out top. Jimmer had folks to dish to.
gomretat
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Careful - I have made that very point multiple times and get blasted every time. The other point I have made multiple times that the article reinforces is that his shooting percentages are good, not great. He has great range but has not shot a great percentage.
billyshelby
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My reasons for being skeptical are already out there. In no specific order: age, defense, poor passing statistics. My other concern is the inflated stats across the board considering he handled the ball 90 percent of the time. He "compares" to Evan Turner in that respect. A guy who put up insane stats handling the ball all the time in college, but was infinitely less effective in the pros when he didn't.
As for BPA at 12, it really comes down to your definition of BPA. I mostly base it off ceilings. I personally rate Jimmer's ceiling as strictly limited to backup. There are a lot more than 12 guys in this draft whose ceiling is starter. At 12, I'm rolling the dice on a guy whose ceiling is starter, not a guy who I don't think ever can be one.
gregbroncs
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good post. I agree with all of it.
gregbroncs
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Some of them probably have more question marks. But all of them have a much higher ceiling. I'm with Billy. I don't want to draft a career backup quality player at 12. Those guys can be had anywhere in the draft. I don't see Jimmer as anything but a career backup.
Made me smile. Isn't that pretty much the definition of a "good post"... for all of us? ;-)
gregbroncs
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Nah. It's a great post if it makes me smile or laugh. It's only a "good" post if I agree with the point.
As for BPA at 12, it really comes down to your definition of BPA. I mostly base it off ceilings. I personally rate Jimmer's ceiling as strictly limited to backup. There are a lot more than 12 guys in this draft whose ceiling is starter. At 12, I'm rolling the dice on a guy whose ceiling is starter, not a guy who I don't think ever can be one.[/QUOTE]
Every prospect has "concerns". Those on this board down on Jimmer have to realize their prejudices are just as great as those of the so called Jimmer homers. For whatever reason--he's mormon, white, his squeaky clean image, he grates on you.
From all reports he's killing his workouts. Phoenix matched him up specifcally with an ultra long, atheltic, strong guard to test his defense and their front office came away impressed. Pacers and Kings were falling all over themselves about him and the vibe from the jazz workout is that he outplayed kemba--considered the number 2 point guard prospect. Kemba himself was impressed and is on record saying he can play point guard in the league. Chad Ford today defended his "under rated passing" and stated he'd be a very good player. Think about it---he's very strong for the point guard position and very laterally quick--why can't he play solid team defense? Defense is about will and coaching anyway.
But that all just screams "limited back up minutes" as his ceiling doesn't it? Go watch the San Diego state games again--24 pts 9 assists (or something close) in their building against NBA caliber athlete Kawhi, two guys spying him as soon as he crossed the half court line. Dude we better pass on that with the 12th pick though right, I mean who needs that on your team.
Every prospect has "concerns". Those on this board down on Jimmer have to realize their prejudices are just as great as those of the so called Jimmer homers. For whatever reason--he's mormon, white, his squeaky clean image, he grates on you.
From all reports he's killing his workouts. Phoenix matched him up specifcally with an ultra long, atheltic, strong guard to test his defense and their front office came away impressed. Pacers and Kings were falling all over themselves about him and the vibe from the jazz workout is that he outplayed kemba--considered the number 2 point guard prospect. Kemba himself was impressed and is on record saying he can play point guard in the league. Chad Ford today defended his "under rated passing" and stated he'd be a very good player. Think about it---he's very strong for the point guard position and very laterally quick--why can't he play solid team defense? Defense is about will and coaching anyway.
But that all just screams "limited back up minutes" as his ceiling doesn't it? Go watch the San Diego state games again--24 pts 9 assists (or something close) in their building against NBA caliber athlete Kawhi, two guys spying him as soon as he crossed the half court line. Dude we better pass on that with the 12th pick though right, I mean who needs that on your team.
Joe Bagadonuts
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Repped. One of the reasons I enjoy this site is hearing your take on things. You really know your ****.
MattMan
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Well written, and you made your point about ceilings, but who? That was my main point. I wanna see the name and debate why he's better or worse than Jimmer. I think that's my main problem with the 12th pick, it's more why we should or shouldn't draft Jimmer, not why we should draft Burks, Singleton, Brooks and Thompson. What about them makes them a better choice than Jimmer? Don't just say "ceiling", tell me why he has a high ceiling.
The Thriller
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Because they're not white or Mormon. Duh
I used to be higher on Singleton. Now I'm not so sure. Could he just be another Ronnie Brewer? Ugh...
MattMan
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Sadly, I think this will play more into why people do or don't like Jimmer....even if they come up with other reasons why. I hope I'm wrong.
I like Singleton, and yes he could be another Brewer. His offensive game is a massive question mark, but the dude can stay in front of people....I think he'll be able to contribute right away defensively against opposing 2nd units.
vslice02
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I don't like the way his game translates to the NBA but I could care less what race or religion a player is. Fortunately most scouts and GM's think the same: if the guy can play, there's a place for him in the league.
