The Biden Administration and All Things Politics
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So I must be one in the same of these rotten trolls correct?
I have 9500 messages posted on this forum, probably near that amount on this forum's predecessor. Very few posts though....
- your detective skills are unmatched.There hasn't been much reason to come around lately with the Jazz in a painful rebuild. This little nook is about as closed minded as I remember.
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If you care to add something beyond insults and accusations, like maybe facts or evidence as to why you feel this is so closed minded, that would be welcome actually. Buck tried for a while but there is just no defending the conservative side right now. But if you can refute what has been posted or provide a fresh perspective it is more than welcome. Just seemed odd you are not posting for a while and one of the first ones you make recently is defending the ones that are obvious trolls and the most disingenuous posters on the site.So I must be one in the same of these rotten trolls correct?
I have 9500 messages posted on this forum, probably near that amount on this forum's predecessor. Very few posts though....
There hasn't been much reason to come around lately with the Jazz in a painful rebuild. This little nook is about as closed minded as I remember.
But please give us your perspective. Not being facetious or insouciant or anything. We need a good conservative voice. Many of us are middle of the roaders who feel like we have no good choice, but just that Trump is not just "not the guy", but outright dangerous to our democracy. If you have a different viewpoint please share it, it is very welcome!
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I will chalk it up to your being gone for a while that you did not recognize the trolling nature of the posters you are referring to. But anyone (and everyone) can (and do) make assumptions.
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@LogGrad98 used to be fairly normal. Unfortunately TDS has rotted his brain.So I must be one in the same of these rotten trolls correct?
I have 9500 messages posted on this forum, probably near that amount on this forum's predecessor. Very few posts though....
There hasn't been much reason to come around lately with the Jazz in a painful rebuild. This little nook is about as closed minded as I remember.
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Or it's four people who live in their mom's basements. Who knows? Hey, they are believable and let us know that the battle is real. Wish it was more authentic like the French revolution.
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Well let's start there, and I think I know what you're referring to. Trump is a sore loser, but you're not being intellectually honest with yourself if you think he and 100 citizens could overthrow the government and serve eternally as dictator. Think back to Trump's last term and name one thing that was forced on you (or someone you know) by his administration that negatively effected your life. The media (big pharma, big tech controlled) tried to tarnish him non stop for 4 years with Russia, racism, just ridiculous lies that fell flat on their face. All at the same time issuing edicts to social media about what they can and can't post - Zuck admitted to FBI ordering the laptop story be pulled. Now that is real election interference. Do you want someone filtering the news you receive? Or would you like to be able to investigate and parse it as real or bs by yourself? I know what I prefer. The fact Musk, Ackworth, Thiel, are going against the grain (and certainly losing ad money) backing Trump should at least raise a few flags for you.
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One thing? Wow, how about we start here...
- Extreme tax cuts for corporations and failure to enforce anti-trust laws leading to a build-up to fuel the inflation and price fixing and gouging that has carried well past the inflationary crisis.
- By the way, this also nearly gutted social security and since the vast majority of our population either do or will rely on that for a good chunk or even most or all of their retirement, this affects everyone as we will all carry the burden, instead of massive corporations performing multi-billion dollar stock buy-backs instead of paying their share of taxes. I am one of those looking to social security for a decent piece of my retirement due to going through 5 layoffs in my career.
- Fomenting the insurrection on Jan 6th. This lead to a deeper divide among our people and made us rife for corruption which we are seeing in the supreme court as a great example.
- Gutting the Affordable Care Act, reducing greatly the number of people who can get medical care. This means more visits to doctors that people cannot pay for, so that gets spread out to the rest of us in higher prices. This is taking our already ****ed up medical system backward, not forward. Oh and his replacement plan is always 2 weeks away.
- Completely botching the response to COVID, resulting in thousands of needless deaths. One example is him now allowing OSHA to set required safety standards for workplaces, which means it was all haphazard. I know at my workplace, a distribution environment, we went to great lengths to provide safety gear, clean, and account for social distancing. A lot of places that stayed open did not follow these standards from the CDC anywhere near as closely. I had family members die as a result of his response, and I got COVID twice, once ending in long COVID that still has lingering effects to this day.
- Completely mishandling immigration despite all the bluster. He cracked down on legal immigrants, and wasted money on a useless wall that has been shown to have zero effect on illegal immigration since the vast majority of that happens at airports, not people sneaking over the wall.
- This is one example of many many wastes of taxpayer money, money that could have gone to better causes to improve life for all of us. But he needed to golf more than any president in history and he turned the secret service into a profit center for Trump corporation as he charged them to stay in his building to protect him. Talk about conflict of interest.
- The stupid muslim ban heightened tensions among american who just looked like that. One of the managers that works for me is middle-eastern, and Christian, and he got held up and questioned in the airport because he was flying in from England and looked like he was one of those muslims. That is ridiculous and did nothing to improve security of the country.
I could go on and on. Here are a few articles, easy to find with google. Go look at multiple source on this stuff. He did a few good things, imo, like turn a blind eye to states legalizing weed, which needs to be done federally honestly. But the bad so far outweighs the good that it isn't funny.
This one is a decent mix of kind of ok things he did and outright ****** things he did:
How America Changed During Donald Trump’s Presidency
Donald Trump's four-year tenure in the White House revealed extraordinary fissures in American society but left little doubt that he is a figure unlike any other in the nation’s history.
www.pewresearch.org
President Trump’s legacy of corruption, four years and 3,700 conflicts of interest later - CREW | Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington
Trump's administration was marked by self-interest, profiteering at the highest levels and more than 3,700 conflicts of interest.
www.citizensforethics.org
Trump Administration Civil and Human Rights Rollbacks
Documenting the Trump administration’s across-the-board assault on civil and human rights.
civilrights.org
A look at Trump's economic legacy
He has become the first president since Herbert Hoover during the Great Depression to depart office with fewer jobs in the country than when he entered.
abcnews.go.com
I got these quotes out of order but yes, let's start there. He and a full cabinet and a stacked supreme court could absolutely up-end the democracy, especially with the ruling of impunity for executive action as long as he claims "official act". Did you miss that part, or are you being intellectually dishonest by cherry-picking?
Yes, the media has been problematic with the Trump presidency, they cannot figure him out and he is bound and determined to destroy public media as we know it. I disagree with a lot of what gets reported, and I go to many sources for my news, with only 2 or 3 really trusted sites, but they tend to do this **** to most presidents. The only thing new here is Trump calling straight up true stories simply false, regardless of what was in the story to begin with, and he continues to do this. He just recently said he never sent any COVID test kits to Russia, then Russia said, yes he did. Did he retract? No of course not, his team tried to spin it as humanitarian aid. Give me a break. But a lot of stupid people just take everything he says at face value. Look at the damage he is doing manipulating the stories about the recent hurricanes and providing nothing but false outlooks that FEMA and local governments have both said have made their jobs much much harder, and lead to needless deaths. Any accountability there? Nope. His people are sheep.
The news we receive it always filtered, in every way, by every organization or person you get it from, hence why you need to get it from multiple sources and be skeptical of it all. And yes, the fact that budding fascist and racist Musk is supporting Trump raises huge red flags, since that means he believes Trump is best for his personal agenda and wealth. Not best for the rest of us, just him and his cohorts. This seems very anti-Trump of you in this last statement, because maybe you thin this paints Trump in a good light but it simply does not.
Also, any sources you care to cite for any of these claims? Any places showing this filtering of the news to be more anti-Trump than it should be, or do you just know because the conspiracy is SO OBVIOUS?
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This is a great post.One thing? Wow, how about we start here...
- Extreme tax cuts for corporations and failure to enforce anti-trust laws leading to a build-up to fuel the inflation and price fixing and gouging that has carried well past the inflationary crisis.
- By the way, this also nearly gutted social security and since the vast majority of our population either do or will rely on that for a good chunk or even most or all of their retirement, this affects everyone as we will all carry the burden, instead of massive corporations performing multi-billion dollar stock buy-backs instead of paying their share of taxes. I am one of those looking to social security for a decent piece of my retirement due to going through 5 layoffs in my career.
- Fomenting the insurrection on Jan 6th. This lead to a deeper divide among our people and made us rife for corruption which we are seeing in the supreme court as a great example.
- Gutting the Affordable Care Act, reducing greatly the number of people who can get medical care. This means more visits to doctors that people cannot pay for, so that gets spread out to the rest of us in higher prices. This is taking our already ****ed up medical system backward, not forward. Oh and his replacement plan is always 2 weeks away.
- Completely botching the response to COVID, resulting in thousands of needless deaths. One example is him now allowing OSHA to set required safety standards for workplaces, which means it was all haphazard. I know at my workplace, a distribution environment, we went to great lengths to provide safety gear, clean, and account for social distancing. A lot of places that stayed open did not follow these standards from the CDC anywhere near as closely. I had family members die as a result of his response, and I got COVID twice, once ending in long COVID that still has lingering effects to this day.
- Completely mishandling immigration despite all the bluster. He cracked down on legal immigrants, and wasted money on a useless wall that has been shown to have zero effect on illegal immigration since the vast majority of that happens at airports, not people sneaking over the wall.
- This is one example of many many wastes of taxpayer money, money that could have gone to better causes to improve life for all of us. But he needed to golf more than any president in history and he turned the secret service into a profit center for Trump corporation as he charged them to stay in his building to protect him. Talk about conflict of interest.
- The stupid muslim ban heightened tensions among american who just looked like that. One of the managers that works for me is middle-eastern, and Christian, and he got held up and questioned in the airport because he was flying in from England and looked like he was one of those muslims. That is ridiculous and did nothing to improve security of the country.
I could go on and on. Here are a few articles, easy to find with google. Go look at multiple source on this stuff. He did a few good things, imo, like turn a blind eye to states legalizing weed, which needs to be done federally honestly. But the bad so far outweighs the good that it isn't funny.
This one is a decent mix of kind of ok things he did and outright ****** things he did:
How America Changed During Donald Trump’s Presidency
Donald Trump's four-year tenure in the White House revealed extraordinary fissures in American society but left little doubt that he is a figure unlike any other in the nation’s history.
President Trump’s legacy of corruption, four years and 3,700 conflicts of interest later - CREW | Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington
Trump's administration was marked by self-interest, profiteering at the highest levels and more than 3,700 conflicts of interest.
Trump Administration Civil and Human Rights Rollbacks
Documenting the Trump administration’s across-the-board assault on civil and human rights.
A look at Trump's economic legacy
He has become the first president since Herbert Hoover during the Great Depression to depart office with fewer jobs in the country than when he entered.
I got these quotes out of order but yes, let's start there. He and a full cabinet and a stacked supreme court could absolutely up-end the democracy, especially with the ruling of impunity for executive action as long as he claims "official act". Did you miss that part, or are you being intellectually dishonest by cherry-picking?
Yes, the media has been problematic with the Trump presidency, they cannot figure him out and he is bound and determined to destroy public media as we know it. I disagree with a lot of what gets reported, and I go to many sources for my news, with only 2 or 3 really trusted sites, but they tend to do this **** to most presidents. The only thing new here is Trump calling straight up true stories simply false, regardless of what was in the story to begin with, and he continues to do this. He just recently said he never sent any COVID test kits to Russia, then Russia said, yes he did. Did he retract? No of course not, his team tried to spin it as humanitarian aid. Give me a break. But a lot of stupid people just take everything he says at face value. Look at the damage he is doing manipulating the stories about the recent hurricanes and providing nothing but false outlooks that FEMA and local governments have both said have made their jobs much much harder, and lead to needless deaths. Any accountability there? Nope. His people are sheep.
The news we receive it always filtered, in every way, by every organization or person you get it from, hence why you need to get it from multiple sources and be skeptical of it all. And yes, the fact that budding fascist and racist Musk is supporting Trump raises huge red flags, since that means he believes Trump is best for his personal agenda and wealth. Not best for the rest of us, just him and his cohorts. This seems very anti-Trump of you in this last statement, because maybe you thin this paints Trump in a good light but it simply does not.
Also, any sources you care to cite for any of these claims? Any places showing this filtering of the news to be more anti-Trump than it should be, or do you just know because the conspiracy is SO OBVIOUS?
I’ll just add that “the Russia hoax” wasn’t a hoax. It’s proven to be real. The Mueller report, the Republican Senate report, and countless other news stories have proven that:
A) Trump lied about not having any business dealings In Russia thus compromising him.
B) The Trump campaign sought out and received help from Russian intelligence. Paul manafort was put in prison for lying about his illegal foreign business. It’s why Trump pardoned him (see point c).
C) Trump used bribes and threats to obstruct justice. Manafort especially, refused to work with prosecutors after Trump promised him pardons via social media. Manafort was sharing campaign information with Russian intelligence which used social media and bots to micro target Americans. This type of attack has been done before by Russia, in Estonia, Poland, Ukraine, and the UK.
D) Russia released hacked emails through social media accounts to help Trump win. They used intelligence from Trump’s own campaign to spread disinformation in America, depressing Democratic voters and persuading others to vote third party.
E) Russia prefers Trump because he divides America, can easily be bribed, and makes America and the west weaker.
I hope jazz is interested in some reading rather than just being a troll.
Senate panel finds Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. election
The report purposely does not come to a final conclusion, as the other reports did, about whether there is enough evidence that Trump’s campaign coordinated or colluded with Russia to sway the election, leaving its findings open to partisan interpretation.
www.pbs.org
All of the Mueller report’s major findings in less than 30 minutes
When Robert Mueller broke his silence in May, his main point was that his long-awaited report spoke for itself. But the report is 448 pages long. So Lisa Desjardins and William Brangham decided to dig into what the findings say – and what they don't. Here, in less than 30 minutes, are all of the...
www.pbs.org
View: https://www.npr.org/2020/08/18/903616315/senate-releases-final-report-on-russias-interference-in-2016-election
And if pbs and npr are too liberal for you, here’s Fox News
Findings that Russia meddled to help Trump beat Clinton were 'accurate and on point': Senate intel panel
The FBI's and CIA's significant "analytical disagreement" with the NSA over whether Russia tried to help the Trump presidential campaign was "reasonable," according to an unclassified report by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence released Tuesday.
www.foxnews.com
Jewish space lasers, election fraud, covid invented by fauci, Haitians eating pets, and weather control machines are hoaxes. Russia intervening in 2016 to help Trump win and Trump seeking Russian help is not.
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Whenever I hear someone say "Russia hoax" (or type it) I know that they are brainwashed trumpers who have no idea what they are talking about.This is a great post.
I’ll just add that “the Russia hoax” wasn’t a hoax. It’s proven to be real. The Mueller report, the Republican Senate report, and countless other news stories have proven that:
A) Trump lied about not having any business dealings In Russia thus compromising him.
B) The Trump campaign sought out and received help from Russian intelligence. Paul manafort was put in prison for lying about his illegal foreign business. It’s why Trump pardoned him (see point c).
C) Trump used bribes and threats to obstruct justice. Manafort especially, refused to work with prosecutors after Trump promised him pardons via social media. Manafort was sharing campaign information with Russian intelligence which used social media and bots to micro target Americans. This type of attack has been done before by Russia, in Estonia, Poland, Ukraine, and the UK.
D) Russia released hacked emails through social media accounts to help Trump win. They used intelligence from Trump’s own campaign to spread disinformation in America, depressing Democratic voters and persuading others to vote third party.
E) Russia prefers Trump because he divides America, can easily be bribed, and makes America and the west weaker.
I hope jazz is interested in some reading rather than just being a troll.
Senate panel finds Russia interfered in the 2016 U.S. election
The report purposely does not come to a final conclusion, as the other reports did, about whether there is enough evidence that Trump’s campaign coordinated or colluded with Russia to sway the election, leaving its findings open to partisan interpretation.
All of the Mueller report’s major findings in less than 30 minutes
When Robert Mueller broke his silence in May, his main point was that his long-awaited report spoke for itself. But the report is 448 pages long. So Lisa Desjardins and William Brangham decided to dig into what the findings say – and what they don't. Here, in less than 30 minutes, are all of the...
View: https://www.npr.org/2020/08/18/903616315/senate-releases-final-report-on-russias-interference-in-2016-election
And if pbs and npr are too liberal for you, here’s Fox News
Findings that Russia meddled to help Trump beat Clinton were 'accurate and on point': Senate intel panel
The FBI's and CIA's significant "analytical disagreement" with the NSA over whether Russia tried to help the Trump presidential campaign was "reasonable," according to an unclassified report by the Senate Select Committee on Intelligence released Tuesday.
Jewish space lasers, election fraud, covid invented by fauci, Haitians eating pets, and weather control machines are hoaxes. Russia intervening in 2016 to help Trump win and Trump seeking Russian help is not.
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