The Biden Administration and All Things Politics

[One Brow]

Um, wut?

do tell brother. You're so desperate to not admit Biden is a wet lettuce leaf you're now lying or just woefully misinformed.

I was misinformed. I saw a headline attributing the error to Trump, but didn't read the article. My apologies.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

Ya think?

What I think is that Senator Bernie Sanders, Senator Elizabeth Warren, Democrat Senator Bob Menendez, Democrat Senator Alex Padilla, and Democrat Senator Ed Markey were not following orders from Trump when they all voted to tank the bill. The Democrats do not have enough Democrats supporting this bill, and the pointing of fingers at Trump is nothing but misdirection.

 

[One Brow]

What I think is that Senator Bernie Sanders, Senator Elizabeth Warren, Democrat Senator Bob Menendez, Democrat Senator Alex Padilla, and Democrat Senator Ed Markey were not following orders from Trump when they all voted to tank the bill. The Democrats do not have enough Democrats supporting this bill, and the pointing of fingers at Trump is nothing but misdirection.

That's 5. The Republicans can't muster 5 votes for a bill they worked so hard on?

 

[Al-O-Meter]

That's 5. The Republicans can't muster 5 votes for a bill they worked so hard on?

It wasn't a "they" on the GOP side doing the negotiations. It was one guy. The GOP who were not consulted think their one guy did a crap job and I can't disagree. The bill is awful to the point of being radioactive.

 

[fishonjazz]

What I think is that Senator Bernie Sanders, Senator Elizabeth Warren, Democrat Senator Bob Menendez, Democrat Senator Alex Padilla, and Democrat Senator Ed Markey were not following orders from Trump when they all voted to tank the bill. The Democrats do not have enough Democrats supporting this bill, and the pointing of fingers at Trump is nothing but misdirection.

It can be true that the Democrats don't have enough democrats supporting the bill AND also true that not having enough democrats supporting it wouldn't matter if trump was not pressuring Republicans to not support it because some Republicans might support it making those Democrats who don't support it obsolete.


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[silesian]

If this exact piece of border/ immigration legislation was passed by GOP congress and signed by Trump, the MAGA world would be throwing parades across America.

Everyone knows this is true.

 

[silesian]

Biden totally caved to the GOP and gave them what they wanted on the border.

Trump realizes that this is a trap to remove an election issue that Trump is otherwise poised to win.

Trump calls his congressional minions and commands that they kill the bill.

The GOP will never get another law as good as this, especially as Trump again destroys the down ballot due to his unpopularity and support for extremist & incompetent GOP candidates. Trump probably loses the house.

Now Biden has a credible reason to spread blame for the border fiasco to MAGA/ Trump, a political tool he otherwise did not possess.


Is MAGA getting outsmarted by an 82 year old with dementia?

 

[fishonjazz]

Biden totally caved to the GOP and gave them what they wanted on the border.

Trump realizes that this is a trap to remove an election issue that Trump is otherwise poised to win.

Trump calls his congressional minions and commands that they kill the bill.

The GOP will never get another law as good as this, especially as Trump again destroys the down ballot due to his unpopularity and support for extremist & incompetent GOP candidates. Trump probably loses the house.

Now Biden has a credible reason to spread blame for the border fiasco to MAGA/ Trump, a political tool he otherwise did not possess.


Is MAGA getting outsmarted by an 82 year old with dementia?

MAGA (trump) is pretty dumb so the answer to your last question is likely yes

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[Sardines]

Biden totally caved to the GOP and gave them what they wanted on the border.

Trump realizes that this is a trap to remove an election issue that Trump is otherwise poised to win.

Trump calls his congressional minions and commands that they kill the bill.

The GOP will never get another law as good as this, especially as Trump again destroys the down ballot due to his unpopularity and support for extremist & incompetent GOP candidates. Trump probably loses the house.

Now Biden has a credible reason to spread blame for the border fiasco to MAGA/ Trump, a political tool he otherwise did not possess.


Is MAGA getting outsmarted by an 82 year old with dementia?

This is what I think. The plan was to use this issue AGAINST Biden in the election but most intelligent voters as well as most independent voters are going to realize that the GOP, at the insistence of Trump, decided they didn't want to actually solve the problem but wanted it to be a problem so they could fool their fool *** base. It will trick Trumpers and no one else imho.

This will be an issue Biden can campaign on now. Had MAGA by the balls by giving them exactly what they asked for only for MAGA to turn it down. Now Biden he has a cudgel to beat MAGA with using their own issue.

 

[One Brow]

It wasn't a "they" on the GOP side doing the negotiations. It was one guy.

One guy who didn't seek out any other Rs for their opinion/support during negotiations? Doubtful.

 

[silesian]

This is what I think. The plan was to use this issue AGAINST Biden in the election but most intelligent voters as well as most independent voters are going to realize that the GOP, at the insistence of Trump, decided they didn't want to actually solve the problem but wanted it to be a problem so they could fool their fool *** base. It will trick Trumpers and no one else imho.

This will be an issue Biden can campaign on now. Had MAGA by the balls by giving them exactly what they asked for only for MAGA to turn it down. Now Biden he has a cudgel to beat MAGA with using their own issue.

hopefully. I think it will soften the damage to biden with moderates, but it is his achilles heel. People across the political spectrum are fed up with the problem. It is just a matter of spreading the blame. And both parties deserve a lot of the blame. When Trump had both houses, that was the opportunity to truly pass meaningful legislation. But is was all about the wall, the wall, the wall, and nothing else that could have improved the situation was moved foward. Biden has botched this issue from day 1.

 

[silesian]

One guy who didn't seek out any other Rs for their opinion/support during negotiations? Doubtful.

I also put this on McConnell. As leader he should have been aligning the troops. They let this dude on the vanguard and then threw him under the bus.