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I can tell you which ex-president is probably not leading that charge…

You mean the one who encouraged Russia to attack other sovereign nations and also had American civilians and military come under attack in the middle east and launched attacks against the middle east? That one?

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If the president is brain dead, who's in charge? The military industrial complex? Bill Gates?

Probably better than Russia being in charge of the US. Trump just trying to get us out of NATO for Putin and just saying it's cool if Russia invades other nations and actually encourages it.
Ya if there were an election held today and I had 3 candidates to choose from and those candidates were the US military, bill gates, or Putin then I know that Putin wouldn't get my vote. Pretty sure Putin would get yours though.

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Probably better than Russia being in charge of the US. Trump just trying to get us out of NATO for Putin and just saying it's cool if Russia invades other nations and actually encourages it.
Ya if there were an election held today and I had 3 candidates to choose from and those candidates were the US military, bill gates, or Putin then I know that Putin wouldn't get my vote. Pretty sure Putin would get yours though.

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This is America silly- we don't offer people options to choose from, let alone 3 choices, are you crazy? lol
 
This is America silly- we don't offer people options to choose from, let alone 3 choices, are you crazy? lol
Ok then, if I didn't have a choice and one of those options was being chosen/forced upon the US then Putin would be the one I would be rooting against being chosen/forced up our country.

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And if you all don't understand the similarities thats on you. I got dragged into another whatabouts with you all about Trump. Obviously there are differences and the media will be all over what those differences are because what trump "allegedly" did as Hur says, is apparently the difference in what is prosecutable an what isn't.

not prosecuting Biden because he is brain dead is not the same thing as "there is no evidence"
not prosecuting Biden because there is insufficient evidence is not the same thing as "there is no evidence" like one brow wants to believe.

I would like to see more corrupt, incompetent, stupid politicians prosecuted. I would like to see more competent people in Washington instead of splitting hairs and accommodating the terrible, incompetent, brain dead people that are still there. I'm done with the whatabouts.

I’m concerned that we have a brain dead president and what that means going forward for the next few months.
Those are valid concerns. I do not agree that Biden is “brain dead”, but I’m really not as anti-Trump one sided as I’m sure I appear. It’s not the case though, don’t expect many to believe that given my disgust with Trump, but it’s true. Trump would never have appeared in the first place if the fears and anger among a significant % of the electorate were fictional. There are very good reasons behind Trump’s appearance, but he was nonetheless the demagouge that Alexander Hamilton feared might one day appear, it was Donald Trump who understood how to speak to the disaffected members of American society, those who are aligned along the right wing of our current and ongoing culture wars. That the conditions for a populist movement were ripe, and Trump was the man with the skill to lead that movement.

It’s a successful demagouge who has the needed skills. Trump has them in spades.

Unfortunately, when elected in 2016, he really made no effort to speak and assure those who did not vote for him. He never made that effort to speak to, and appeal to, all Americans, not just his MAGA base, and he worsened that appalling stance by slamming as un-American, as “the enemy of America” virtually anyone who disagreed with him in public. He virtually demonized his opposition, and have not his MAGA Republicans embraced the hatred of the “vermin” as he calls people like me(I do assume that, so I can take it personally if I want) Americans one and all nonetheless, despite his reprehensible effort to drive Americans further apart? An effort that has been non stop at rallies and social media.

So where are we? Both sides in the political and cultural war we find ourselves ensconced in believe their opposition represent an existential threat to America, and importantly, it’s the ideal America that each side believe their side supports, the America each side believes we SHOULD BE, each sides idea of what a better America, a “correct” America, an “ideal” America should be moving forward into our nations future. Each side believes its stance on the culture wars IS the IDEAL America, and each side believes it must win, or the other side will destroy America.

What will we be, what does it mean to be an American? This seems to be the thing we are trying to decide. And we’re going about it in a destructive manner, certainly damaging to our body politic.

Result: we really are two different nations right now, with two different visions, largely represented by our respective positions in the culture wars. That is an enormous problem, and I’m as concerned as you, because I simply don’t see a path to being one nation at this time. And this nightmare will continue regardless of who wins the 2024 election.
 
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Did the FBI need to raid Bidens garage to get the documents back?
No. Nothing Biden had presented a serious danger. The same can be said of Pence and I imagine every President or VP of the past century.

Did the FBI have to raid mar a Lago to get the documents back?
Yes, but it was because of what they thought Trump had. The intelligence agencies needed to raid the location, lock it down, and conduct the search themselves. The material prompting the raid, which was allegedly wasn't even classified material as it was declassified before Trump left office, is a single binder containing evidence of American intelligence agencies committing election interference in the 2016 election.

"Intelligence related to the alleged surveillance effort is housed in a “10-inch binder,” according to the outlet, which Trump, 77, ordered to be declassified at the end of his presidency and could contain evidence that “multiple US intelligence officials broke laws against spying and election interference.”

The whereabouts of the alleged thick binder are unknown. "

 
No. Nothing Biden had presented a serious danger. The same can be said of Pence and I imagine every President or VP of the past century.


Yes, but it was because of what they thought Trump had. The intelligence agencies needed to raid the location, lock it down, and conduct the search themselves. The material prompting the raid, which was allegedly wasn't even classified material as it was declassified before Trump left office, is a single binder containing evidence of American intelligence agencies committing election interference in the 2016 election.

"Intelligence related to the alleged surveillance effort is housed in a “10-inch binder,” according to the outlet, which Trump, 77, ordered to be declassified at the end of his presidency and could contain evidence that “multiple US intelligence officials broke laws against spying and election interference.”

The whereabouts of the alleged thick binder are unknown. "

Nope. Reason no raid needed in biden and pence case is due to biden and pence simply giving documents back.
Reason raid was needed in trumps case is because trump wouldn't return the documents. Its really that simple.
 
Nope. Reason no raid needed in biden and pence case is due to biden and pence simply giving documents back.
Reason raid was needed in trumps case is because trump wouldn't return the documents. Its really that simple.
Believe what you want but the classified documents were in Biden's possession for years with no one caring about them. Hillary didn't cooperate or return the documents and her house wasn't raided. The documents Pence had weren't that important and neither was the stuff Hillary mishandled. Trump did have classified documents, but the classified documents were only the cover used to urgently recover, or to check if any copies were made, of the kind of documentary proof that could spark a civil war. In the immediate aftermath of January 6, that may have been a clear and present danger justifying almost anything, certainly including raiding the home of a former president on national television.
 
Believe what you want but the classified documents were in Biden's possession for years with no one caring about them. Hillary didn't cooperate or return the documents and her house wasn't raided. The documents Pence had weren't that important and neither was the stuff Hillary mishandled. Trump did have classified documents, but the classified documents were only the cover used to urgently recover, or to check if any copies were made, of the kind of documentary proof that could spark a civil war. In the immediate aftermath of January 6, that may have been a clear and present danger justifying almost anything, certainly including raiding the home of a former president on national television.
You're basing this on what now?
 
You're basing this on what now?
The NY Post article linked above and that I quoted.

Perhaps a more interesting question is to ask what you'd do in their shoes. Suspend disbelief for a moment and suppose everything I said is fact: Entities working for the US government had been overzealous and crossed a line, the government's ability to dismiss evidence as Russian disinformation being severely degraded by recent claims over Hunter Biden's laptop as Russian disinformation revealed to have been American disinformation, a sizable chunk of the population were like a tinderbox due to believing the system had been rigged, January 6 drove home how serious the situation was, and the cult-of-personality leader had in his possession proof of the system being weaponized.

When civil wars happen, people die. A lot of people die. As the head of an intelligence agency, what would you be willing to do to keep that proof from ever seeing the light of day in hopes the temperature could be lowered?
 
Believe what you want but the classified documents were in Biden's possession for years with no one caring about them. Hillary didn't cooperate or return the documents and her house wasn't raided. The documents Pence had weren't that important and neither was the stuff Hillary mishandled. Trump did have classified documents, but the classified documents were only the cover used to urgently recover, or to check if any copies were made, of the kind of documentary proof that could spark a civil war. In the immediate aftermath of January 6, that may have been a clear and present danger justifying almost anything, certainly including raiding the home of a former president on national television.
Stuff can be important or unimportant. You are missing the key thing though. Return when told to = no FBI raid.
If trump returned everything when told to then he isn't raided.
 
The NY Post article linked above and that I quoted.

Perhaps a more interesting question is to ask what you'd do in their shoes. Suspend disbelief for a moment and suppose everything I said is fact: Entities working for the US government had been overzealous and crossed a line, the government's ability to dismiss evidence as Russian disinformation being severely degraded by recent claims over Hunter Biden's laptop as Russian disinformation revealed to have been American disinformation, a sizable chunk of the population were like a tinderbox due to believing the system had been rigged, January 6 drove home how serious the situation was, and the cult-of-personality leader had in his possession proof of the system being weaponized.

When civil wars happen, people die. A lot of people die. As the head of an intelligence agency, what would you be willing to do to keep that proof from ever seeing the light of day in hopes the temperature could be lowered?
Ok, I will assume everything you said is fact. Trump returns the proof he had in his possession and mar a lago doesn't get raided. That was easy
 
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