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Sardines said:
None of us want that. The fact that you think it started in 1994 is the funny part.
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I was obviously referencing the consolidation of media by Clinton in 1996 and the propagandizing of Americans dum dum. The oligarchy obviously existed beforehand otherwise why would such an act come to be?
 
Mongoose said:
What’s the point of the question? Is there not obviously a Zionistic agenda playing out? Should we want these unelected psychopath billionaires (zionists or not) running the world?
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Oh cool.

Protocols of the Elders of Zion rhetoric. You know, the anti-Semitic rubbish that inspired such horrors the Pittsburg synagogue shooting, countless pogroms, and the Holocaust. Don’t worry, I’ll report this to @Jason. I’m sure he doesn’t want his family friendly website littered with trash from 8chan.

We cool with this trash being circulated by obvious trolls who are merely trying to trash this website? Perhaps it’s time for more people to report these posts for the garbage they are/stop engaging this guy so he moves onto somewhere else?

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An Antisemitic Conspiracy: The Protocols of the Elders of Zion | Holocaust Encyclopedia

The Protocols of the Elders of Zion is the most widely distributed antisemitic publication of modern times. Although repeatedly discredited, it continues to circulate.
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Mongoose said:
Because genocide?
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Ah, so histrionics and hyperbole, but not actual desire for rational debate. I see.
That's such a thing for Palestinian fans. Just emotional and hysterical at all times. Rallies, protests. Anything with yelling. Definitely complaining about the Israel fans being calm and doing their work behind the scenes like grownups. I don't get it. Can't you all have a normal discussion without screaming "genocide" and "apartheid" and other subjective terms without actual meaning? Never mind that Israel hasn't been convicted of genocide in any court, let alone one that has jurisdiction or means to enforce it. Minor details.

I'm a Jew. I support Israel unconditionally because, holy crap, they're my team. It's a life and death fight between two groups and I'm cheering on and fighting for the one I belong to? How ****ing irrational of me. Or other Jews, apparently. We should be cheering the other side, evidently.

If only there was some way to stop Jews living in other countries(don't worry sweetie, that'll only last another 50 years, maybe, until we all have to live in Israel for our own safety thanks to the likes of you) from advocating on behalf of their own people and their continuous existence. If only there was a way to deny people who disagree with your subjective opinions from voicing them or advocating with elected officials for their own opinions. Or even more specifically, just Jews. Others are fine, clearly.

But it's okay. I'm sure you and others will now paternalistically explain to me that we have nothing to fear from you, as you clearly don't hate Jews but Zionist. And you're apparently not only capable but eminently qualified to make that distinction, even though a Jew who isn't a Zionist isn't really a Jew because the whole ****ing point of this religions of ours since the second Temple was destroyed (a paltry 2000 years, give or take) has been to return to Israel, reestablish it as a Jewish home again, and rebuild the temple.

I mean, it's like saying not all Christians believe that salvation is the main purpose of man's existence. Then they're obviously not Christian. That's the main point of Christianity.
 
JimLes said:
Ah, so histrionics and hyperbole, but not actual desire for rational debate. I see.
That's such a thing for Palestinian fans. Just emotional and hysterical at all times. Rallies, protests. Anything with yelling. Definitely complaining about the Israel fans being calm and doing their work behind the scenes like grownups. I don't get it. Can't you all have a normal discussion without screaming "genocide" and "apartheid" and other subjective terms without actual meaning? Never mind that Israel hasn't been convicted of genocide in any court, let alone one that has jurisdiction or means to enforce it. Minor details.

I'm a Jew. I support Israel unconditionally because, holy crap, they're my team. It's a life and death fight between two groups and I'm cheering on and fighting for the one I belong to? How ****ing irrational of me. Or other Jews, apparently. We should be cheering the other side, evidently.

If only there was some way to stop Jews living in other countries(don't worry sweetie, that'll only last another 50 years, maybe, until we all have to live in Israel for our own safety thanks to the likes of you) from advocating on behalf of their own people and their continuous existence. If only there was a way to deny people who disagree with your subjective opinions from voicing them or advocating with elected officials for their own opinions. Or even more specifically, just Jews. Others are fine, clearly.

But it's okay. I'm sure you and others will now paternalistically explain to me that we have nothing to fear from you, as you clearly don't hate Jews but Zionist. And you're apparently not only capable but eminently qualified to make that distinction, even though a Jew who isn't a Zionist isn't really a Jew because the whole ****ing point of this religions of ours since the second Temple was destroyed (a paltry 2000 years, give or take) has been to return to Israel, reestablish it as a Jewish home again, and rebuild the temple.

I mean, it's like saying not all Christians believe that salvation is the main purpose of man's existence. Then they're obviously not Christian. That's the main point of Christianity.
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I don’t think that opposing the killing of innocent Palestinians = the destruction and dismantling of Israel.
 
Mongoose said:
I don’t think that opposing the killing of innocent Palestinians = the destruction and dismantling of Israel.
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Yeah, let's not find out if your equation is true or if you really mean that. At least without some firm guarantees that no one seems willing to provide.
 
Mongoose said:
Could you imagine how an American Serviceman lighting himself on fire in protest would be covered if Trump were president? Imagine being so out of touch that you think it wouldn't be covered any differently.


"The difference between Republicans and Democrats is that when a Republican is president it’s time to yell and scream about any bad things he does, whereas when a Democrat is president it’s time for brunch." - Caitlin Johnstone
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Man, was that ever not the case during the Vietnam War era. On both counts. Johnson, Nixon, made no difference at all then. Of course, in those days it was Buddhist monks setting themselves on fire.

I recall thinking much the way you do, some 55 years ago, during that era. About the oligarchy you mention. Not sure I ever really abandoned that perspective. But then I long ago went past that. I prefer it if the voyage of Columbus never happened, lol.

Left field here: https://www.alunathemovie.com/ Our troubles run far deeper than entrenched oligarchies. Our problems are as deep as how we understand ourselves and our place in the natural world. And Elder Brothers like the Kogi have much they can teach us, the Younger Brothers. Like I said, left field, seemingly, to the topic. But I believe our civilization itself has deeper problems caused by a lack of understanding that a people like the Kogi, and other so-called uncontacted people do not lack. Nonetheless, I voted in recent elections, lol…

Adopting a very similar take as you have certainly contributed to decades of being apolitical in my case. But, I guess I don’t want to see things get even worse, and I do believe certain individuals can make things far worse. Obviously, Trump tops my list of such individuals. I do believe, beyond any entrenched oligarchy, evil individuals can make matters worse. And I do believe Trump never feels regret at hurting people. I can still feel sympathy for him, though. Why? Because he truly does not know himself. He’s a deeply, deeply hurt individual. I can still recognize his humanity. Thankfully. Is it a case of there but for the grace of….? It’s a case of all being in the same boat, fundamentally, but that doesn’t mean I must accept Trump or not oppose his demagoguery.

Yeah, quite a few built-in problems, esp. if you believe as you do, but I cant make believe Trump is not a wrecking ball to those institutions that deserve to be protected, including the document known as the constitution.
 
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Red said:
Man, was that ever not the case during the Vietnam War era. On both counts. Johnson, Nixon, made no difference at all then. Of course, in those days it was Buddhist monks setting themselves on fire.

I recall thinking much the way you do, some 55 years ago, during that era. About the oligarchy you mention. Not sure I ever really abandoned that perspective. But then I long ago went past that. I prefer it if the voyage of Columbus never happened, lol.

Left field here: https://www.alunathemovie.com/ Our troubles run far deeper than entrenched oligarchies. Our problems are as deep as how we understand ourselves and our place in the natural world. And Elder Brothers like the Kogi have much they can teach us, the Younger Brothers. Like I said, left field, seemingly, to the topic. But I believe our civilization itself has deeper problems caused by a lack of understanding that a people like the Kogi, and other so-called uncontacted people do not lack. Nonetheless, I voted in recent elections, lol…

Adopting a very similar take as you have certainly contributed to decades of being apolitical in my case. But, I guess I don’t want to see things get even worse, and I do believe certain individuals can make things far worse. Obviously, Trump tops my list of such individuals. I do believe, beyond any entrenched oligarchy, evil individuals can make matters worse. And I do believe Trump never feels regret at hurting people. I can still feel sympathy for him, though. Why? Because he truly does not know himself. He’s a deeply, deeply hurt individual. I can still recognize his humanity. Thankfully. Is it a case of there but for the grace of….? It’s a case of all being in the same boat, fundamentally, but that doesn’t mean I must accept Trump or not oppose his demagoguery.

Yeah, quite a few built-in problems, esp. if you believe as you do, but I cant make believe Trump is not a wrecking ball to those institutions that deserve to be protected, including the document known as the constitution.
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Buddhist monks lighting themselves on fire in the early 60s is being used by bad faith actors trying to make this case against war. The monks were doing this as a protest over catholic President Diem’s treatment of Buddhists in SVN. It wasn’t over war as the “Vietnam War” didn’t really have a start date and couldn’t have a start date if we stop to think about what it was about.
 
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