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Sardines said:
I'm a pretty big fan of Linus Tech Tips and maybe two months ago on the WAN show (if you know you know) they talked about the moderation of their forum. They have shifted to a more aggressive type of moderation and they (Linus and Luke) talked about how that has positively affected their forum. With minor effort and aggressive enforcement, and even shadow banning trouble makers, their forum is better than ever.

With intentional misinformation trolls, bad faith actors, and just all around horrible people flooding a forum there is no hope if there is not aggressive moderation.

This site needs active moderation, and it clearly doesn't have it. In my humble opinion the clock is ticking. Either moderation happens or the devoted users fall and are overrun by the trolls. Then you have a forum of nothing but trolls and bots.

@Jason do you care either way?
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Translation- “my echo chamber is in peril” “help! My extremists political views are being challenged”
 
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Sardines said:
You have pretended to be independent. You are not. Not even close. You echo all the MAGA talking points and criticize all the Democrat actions. Always. That's not independence.
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At least he is obvious as **** about it

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Mongoose said:
You admittedly have tds. Your bias has no bounds. Your tds has you boxed into a small minority of idiots that can only disagree with trump and nothing else. Everything outside of you cult Democrat dogma is more independent. You operate on the left extreme along with the corporate media that you consume and internalize. How else do you find yourself in the side of all the warmongers and war criminals? The side that wants to lock up its political enemies and put half of the country in jail. You are in the side cheering for assassinations and political appointees, not elections. You are lost, dangerous, and stupid. Willingly blind and dumb. Too proud to ever admit if you’re wrong, and you embody all the things you claim to hate about Trump. You’re in the ever shrinking minority here.
Independent voices like tulsi and RFK led me to trumps side along with many others who haven’t been boxed in by our pride and egos.
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War mongers?
trump wants Israel to attack Iran nuclear sites.

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Mongoose said:
I can literally hear this in trumps voice. “Nobody is wrong more than me, and nobody knows as much about libertarians as I do”. “I doubt you know as much about objectivist libertarianism as I do.”
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Due to your TDS

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Jason said:
25 years of having a different view on this. It’s been mostly fine. The Gen Disc and political threads are the worst part for the moderating we do … on a Jazz forum.
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It could be made easier with a little effort applied in the right places. Not sure what you don't understand about that. You're like "Oh gosh, why doesn't the internet just behave itself?"

There are bad actors on your forum making your forum worse for everyone else. If you lack the ability to identify who the worst of the worst amongst them are, the ones who NEVER engage in civil or productive dialogue then I don't know what to say.

The example I gave was from Linus Tech Tips where they discussed growing toxicity on their forum, a forum about tech. They had been essentially taking your approach of hands off, treat everyone equally as if everyone is there with good and honorable intentions. It wasn't working so they identified the primary sources of the toxicity. They found that there were common actors in most of the conflict, so they shadow banned them. Their forum became significantly less toxic. Boom, done.
 
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Sardines said:
It could be made easier with a little effort applied in the right places. Not sure what you don't understand about that. You're like "Oh gosh, why doesn't the internet just behave itself?"

There are bad actors on your forum making your forum worse for everyone else. If you lack the ability to identify who the worst of the worst amongst them are, the ones who NEVER engage in civil or productive dialogue then I don't know what to say.

The example I gave was from Linus Tech Tips where they discussed growing toxicity on their forum, a forum about tech. They had been essentially taking your approach of hands off, treat everyone equally as if everyone is there with good and honorable intentions. It wasn't working so they identified the primary sources of the toxicity. They found that there were common actors in most of the conflict, so they shadow banned them. Their forum became significantly less toxic. Boom, done.
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That’s fair criticism. I’ll look into the mass ignore / shadow ban options. I don’t think the software does that natively but that could be an action to leverage. Thanks.
 
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Jason said:
That’s fair criticism. I’ll look into the mass ignore / shadow ban options. I don’t think the software does that natively but that could be an action to leverage. Thanks.
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Really these guys are just used to the 8 or so of them bashing on anything Trump without push back. A few conservatives came along to share facts and they can't handle it.
 
Jason said:
That’s fair criticism. I’ll look into the mass ignore / shadow ban options. I don’t think the software does that natively but that could be an action to leverage. Thanks.
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I really wish I could find a clip of the discussion I have been referring to. It was a philosophical discussion about running an internet forum and where we are at this point in history. It was a deeper discussion than I have been able to convey. It really hit me hard and having been here for about a year now I immediately thought about the issues that exist here. They (Linus and Luke) believe strongly in free speech, in fair treatment, and they have no interest in onerous moderation of their forum. They eventually decided that their forum either needed to be eliminated (they are losing money on it) or that the toxicity needed to be mitigated. They tried mitigation by identifying the most common denominators of toxicity (I think I'm using the terms improperly, but I think it makes sense) . Then they shadow banned those posters. Not surprisingly, conditions improved.

I would never advocate for censorship based on political opinion. That is not necessary here. The people causing the most problems do usually share a common political identity, but those people may not be real humans, or Americans (but pretending to be), or be people NOT engaging in honest political dialogue. And there my be posters with a different political ideology who also fit the criteria of a bad actor.

I'm not a conspiracy type person, but Russia does employ literally millions of trolls to infest American forums. If that is not what some of the posters here are then I'm confused by their enthusiasm for pro-Russian talking points. Why give Russian agents equal air time on your website? They don't care about you, or about the U.S., or about our freedom. They are just making this, overall very awesome website, worse than it should be.
 
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