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[fishonjazz]

Not when former VP Biden left office, they didn't. The longer search was for President Biden and you'd contrast that with President Trump. It doesn't matter if you are talking former VP left vs right, or President left vs right, either way there is an obvious political bias in how law enforcement is acting. That you are attempting to make a dissimilar comparison to hide it lets me know you see it too. A lot of people see it, and not just those on the supposed far right.

62 percent in new poll say federal charges against Trump politically motivated

Nearly two-thirds of Americans polled in a Quinnipiac University survey released Wednesday said the Department of Justice’s (DOJ) case against former President Trump over the mishandling of c…

thehill.com

That is a really troubling statistic for our nation and that is what concerns me. As I have said many times, I wish Trump would go away. I don't want him to be our President but I'm not so against it that I'm willing to see our government embrace corruption to bring it about. As bad as Trump is, I see government corruption as the bigger threat, and politically motivated prosecution is corruption. The majority of Americans, not just MAGA or extreme right but the majority of all Americans, think we have a corrupt government and see the current actions of law enforcement against Trump as proof. That is bad.

Ya the justice system definitely favors conservatives.
I would be in jail during my trials unlike Trump. My gag order would come with consequences when I break it. But that's because I'm not a conservative like Trump is.

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[Al-O-Meter]

I would be in jail during my trials unlike Trump. My gag order would come with consequences when I break it.

Great example!

Thought experiment open to everyone:
What do you think would happen if they put Trump in jail for violating a gag order?

You are probably right that you’d be prosecuted for violating a gag order. Trump has too in the form of being assessed a $10k fine, which if we’re being honest is nothing. It is unfair that you’d be prosecuted but Trump is not, but why is it so that Trump isn’t being prosecuted while you would be?

It is in Judge Engoron’s power to do that, and he hates Trump with a burning passion, so why isn’t he doing it? It is because this is a political prosecution and Engoron is getting dozens of credible death threats every day even without jailing Trump.

This is not justice being blind. This is justice being hyper-aware of political ramifications, and the political ramifications of Trump being put in jail for exercising his freedom of speech are so dire the even a true Trump-hater like Engoron won’t go there. Everything about this trial, from the charges, to the venue, to the choice of judge, to the enforcement or lack-of-enforcement of gag orders is political, and 62% of all Americans see it that way. This is a political prosecution. This is governmental corruption.

 

[Safetydan]

It’s not wealth inequality

No

 

[fishonjazz]

Great example!

Thought experiment open to everyone:
What do you think would happen if they put Trump in jail for violating a gag order?

You are probably right that you’d be prosecuted for violating a gag order. Trump has too in the form of being assessed a $10k fine, which if we’re being honest is nothing. It is unfair that you’d be prosecuted but Trump is not, but why is it so that Trump isn’t being prosecuted while you would be?

It is in Judge Engoron’s power to do that, and he hates Trump with a burning passion, so why isn’t he doing it? It is because this is a political prosecution and Engoron is getting dozens of credible death threats every day even without jailing Trump.

This is not justice being blind. This is justice being hyper-aware of political ramifications, and the political ramifications of Trump being put in jail for exercising his freedom of speech are so dire the even a true Trump-hater like Engoron won’t go there. Everything about this trial, from the charges, to the venue, to the choice of judge, to the enforcement or lack-of-enforcement of gag orders is political, and 62% of all Americans see it that way. This is a political prosecution. This is governmental corruption.

Duh, it's because the justice system favors conservatives.
If Biden were in the same situation he would be in jail

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[One Brow]

To be clear, the AP wrote a thing. You said the thing citing the AP claim. I said I agree with the thing. Now you want me to debunk the thing we both agree happened where Pence searched his house before the FBI got there with their own search team?

We agree it was a search, but I noticed you offered a weaker claim this time. I'm asking you to provide evidence that was a "pre-search", which would mean it was a private search before some inevitable classified document search.

 

[One Brow]

It is in Judge Engoron’s power to do that, and he hates Trump with a burning passion, ...

Can you provide evidence he hates Trump, specifically, as opposed the legal strategy being employed by Trump and his lawyers?

 

[Deleted member 365]

lol

Yeah, and the whole looking for evidence related to J6 is the reason he got searched. Biden voluntarily worked with his investigation out of caution, not for participating in an attempted coup.

Aaaand, Trump lied to his lawyers, paid employees to move documents to hide from his lawyers and feds, and showed classified information to others ON TAPE.

Your selective nuance is hilarious. The minute you run into your confirmation bias you lie, change your story, and continue to shill for Trump.

It’s like child running into a screen door, over and over again.


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Great post

 

[Al-O-Meter]

We agree it was a search, but I noticed you offered a weaker claim this time. I'm asking you to provide evidence that was a "pre-search", which would mean it was a private search before some inevitable classified document search.

"A lawyer for former Vice President Mike Pence discovered about a dozen documents marked as classified at Pence’s Indiana home last week" -CNN

"Former Vice President Mike Pence‘s lawyers discovered classified material at his private home"- Wall Street Journal

"The documents, discovered by a lawyer last week for Mr Pence at his Indiana home" -BBC

Lawyers for former VP Pence conducted a search of his Indiana home in advance of the FBI searching his home. It was a pre-search and they found documents.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/24/politics/pence-classified-documents-fbi/index.html

Classified Documents Found at Mike Pence’s Indiana Home

Former Vice President Mike Pence’s lawyers discovered classified material at his private home, according to a letter his representative sent to the National Archives.

www.wsj.com

Mike Pence: Classified documents found at former vice-president's home

The files were passed to the FBI following their discovery by the former US vice-president's lawyer.

www.bbc.com

 

[Sardines]

"A lawyer for former Vice President Mike Pence discovered about a dozen documents marked as classified at Pence’s Indiana home last week" -CNN

"Former Vice President Mike Pence‘s lawyers discovered classified material at his private home"- Wall Street Journal

"The documents, discovered by a lawyer last week for Mr Pence at his Indiana home" -BBC

Lawyers for former VP Pence conducted a search of his Indiana home in advance of the FBI searching his home. It was a pre-search and they found documents.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/24/politics/pence-classified-documents-fbi/index.html

Classified Documents Found at Mike Pence’s Indiana Home

Former Vice President Mike Pence’s lawyers discovered classified material at his private home, according to a letter his representative sent to the National Archives.

www.wsj.com

Mike Pence: Classified documents found at former vice-president's home

The files were passed to the FBI following their discovery by the former US vice-president's lawyer.

www.bbc.com

Are you trying to be obtuse?

 

[One Brow]

Lawyers for former VP Pence conducted a search of his Indiana home in advance of the FBI searching his home. It was a pre-search and they found documents.

I'm asking for evidence that it was a pre-search, instead of a precautionary search or a private search, as Pence's lawyer said. Using the timeline is insufficient, you'll need to demonstrate that the FBI's search for classified documents was coming even if Pence conducted no private search, or it's not a search before a search, which is what "pre-search" would mean.

 

[One Brow]

Are you trying to be obtuse?

Likely, yes.

 

[Al-O-Meter]

I'm asking for evidence that it was a pre-search, instead of a precautionary search or a private search, as Pence's lawyer said. Using the timeline is insufficient, you'll need to demonstrate that the FBI's search for classified documents was coming even if Pence conducted no private search, or it's not a search before a search, which is what "pre-search" would mean.

Yes, the FBI were coming no matter what. The subpoena from the FBI to Pence and his lawyers, as noted even in your AP article, used the J6 investigation as its pretext. If the FBI conducted the search because of the found documents, as many tell the story, the pretext on the subpoena would have listed the found documents. It doesn't. The subpoena was sought using the J6 investigation as a pretext. Pence's lawyers delayed the FBI by insisting on negotiating a schedule, and they used that time to have a team pre-search before the J6 subpoena search took place.

The J6 pretext used in the subpoena, the negotiation of schedule conducted by Pence's legal council, the search conducted by Pence's lawyers before the FBI got there, and the subsequent search conducted by the FBI is all in the AP article. I don't understand what you are taking issue with.