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I too think that there shouldn't be delegates that decide primaries. I think that's dumb. It is the way nominees are chosen currently though in both parties.

The actual presidential election is done differently however. trumpers not understanding this is unsurprising.


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fishonjazz said:
I too think that there shouldn't be delegates that decide primaries. I think that's dumb. It is the way nominees are chosen currently though.

The actual presidential election is done differently however. trumpers not understanding this is unsurprising.
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With the Electoral College, they are called "electors" instead of "delegates", but they serve the same purpose in the system. The DNC has demonstrated an ability and a willingness to rig the system intended to be the domain of the American public. There is no reason to believe they won't do it again and again and again.
 
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It was actually trump that had a fake elector scheme and tried to actually steal an election.
trump fake electors have actually already been charged with crimes.
trumpers not knowing about this isn't surprising.

84 total fake electors across seven states signed false electoral certificates claiming that Trump won the election in their states. As of July 2024, fake electors from Arizona, Georgia, Michigan and Nevada have been charged with crimes.

In Arizona, the final three fake electors involved in efforts to illegally overturn the 2020 presidential election were arraigned on June 18, 2024. Atrial date has been set for January 5, 2026. In total, 11 fake electors and seven Trump aides including former Trump adviser Rudy Giuliani and former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows are facing charges for their involvement in Arizona. On August 7, Lorraine Pellegrino, one of the 11 fake electors, pleaded guilty to the charge of filing a false instrument.

At least three of the 16 fake electors in Georgia have been indicted and face prosecution, while eight have agreed to immunity deals. Lieutenant Governor Burt Jones, who was a state senator at the time he allegedly falsified electoral certificates, is facing a special investigation by a state prosecutor.

A Michigan trial court is receiving ongoing witness testimony including from James Renner, a fake elector who entered a deal with the government.

But but but Kamala Harris was chosen to be the Democratic nominee by the delegates at the DNC just like they have every election year in history. Oh noes.
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fishonjazz said:
It was actually trump that had a fake elector scheme and tried to actually steal an election.
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Yes he did, and it was bad. Since then Congress has passed legislation to stop what he was doing and the Supreme Court made a decision that totally invalidated the crackpot legal theory behind it. There are two very, VERY good reasons to believe what Trump was trying to do cannot be done again. The same cannot be said regarding Kamala's crew who rigged the election. There is no legislation, no Supreme Court decisions, and they got away with it. Kamala is atop the Democrat ticket despite not winning any vote of the American people. The DNC has demonstrated an ability and a willingness to rig the system intended to be the domain of the American public. There is no reason to believe they won't do it again and again and again.
 
So apparently trumpers think that the DNC is going to decide the presidential election with democratic delegates at the Democratic national convention.

Lolololololololmao


Also, the DNC nominated Harris for the Democratic presidential candidate the same way they always have and the same way the Republicans do. Delegates at the party convention.
So I guess the Republicans rigged the primaries election as well since their delegates voted for their parties nominee like they always do as well.


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fishonjazz said:
So apparently trumpers think that the DNC is going to decide the presidential election with democratic delegates at the Democratic national convention.

Lolololololololmao


Also, the DNC nominated Harris for the Democratic presidential candidate the same way they always have and the same way the Republicans do. Delegates at the party convention.
So I guess the Republicans rigged the primaries election as well since their delegates voted for their parties nominee like they always do as well.


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The DNC doesn't have to rig their own primaries. They can just pick who they want anytime. Why is AI posting like that isn't how it works?
 
fishonjazz said:
So apparently trumpers think that the DNC is going to decide the presidential election with ...
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I never said they were going to rig the election in the same way. I've been very clear for a long time if how they'll do it. What I find shocking is the blinders people are putting on themselves to deny reality. The American people did not select Kamala Harris. The process was rigged. Anyone voting for Harris is voting for election fraud.
 
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I never said they were going to rig the election in the same way. I've been very clear for a long time if how they'll do it. What I find shocking is the blinders people are putting on themselves to deny reality. The American people did not select Kamala Harris. The process was rigged. Anyone voting for Harris is voting for election fraud.
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This is complete nonsense.
 
Sardines said:
The DNC doesn't have to rig their own primaries. They can just pick who they want anytime. Why is AI posting like that isn't how it works?
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I'm contrasting the two major party candidates. One is there via a process demonstrating a consent of the governed. The other rigged the process and is illegitimate. Those voting for Kamala are endorsing election fraud.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
I'm contrasting the two major party candidates. One is there via a process demonstrating a consent of the governed. The other rigged the process and is illegitimate. Those voting for Kamala are endorsing election fraud.
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Simply false. I'm not going to respond to intentional misrepresentations of the facts. You know that what you're saying is misleading and false.
 
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Simply false. I'm not going to respond to intentional misrepresentations of the facts. You know that what you're saying is misleading and false.
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I've misrepresented nothing and I know you are bright enough to see it. When Biden chose to withdraw his name, there was more than enough time to do a quick mini-primary. There was enough time for the people have a say in who would be atop the ticket. A decision was made to not allow the people to have a voice in that decision. I'm not saying you like it, but I am saying you see it. For the first time in the modern era of the United States, the voice of the governed had no say in the selection process of one of the major party candidates. You may not like the word 'illegitimate', but in the context of the consent of the governed the word is apt. Kamala Harris has not won the consent of the governed. Insofar as the type of social contract theory our nation is built around where the governed should have consent, Kamala Harris is illegitimate. The process that put her there was rigged.
 
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The process of selecting the Democratic nominee wasn't rigged. The delegates voted. They could have voted for anyone. They voted for Harris. Republican delegates voted for trump. They could have voted for anyone. That's what happened in 2020 (except the Democratic delegates voted for Biden that time)

Some idiots think the election was rigged by/for Kamala. If the idiots are correct then I look forward to watching the trials that are sure to take place in courtrooms in the upcoming years just like the fake elector trials that are taking place from trump actually trying to rig an election.

Kamala Harris won the consent of the governed. The delegates are governed. It's not a direct democracy to choose the nominee. There are these middlemen called delegates.
Just like the electoral college. My vote doesn't count. It's not a direct democracy. There are these middle men called electors. Only the vote of the electors count. The electors are governed.

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I've misrepresented nothing and I know you are bright enough to see it. When Biden chose to withdraw his name, there was more than enough time to do a quick mini-primary. There was enough time for the people have a say in who would be atop the ticket. A decision was made to not allow the people to have a voice in that decision. I'm not saying you like it, but I am saying you see it. For the first time in the modern era of the United States, the voice of the governed had no say in the selection process of one of the major party candidates. You may not like the word 'illegitimate', but in the context of the consent of the governed the word is apt. Kamala Harris has not won the consent of the governed. Insofar as the type of social contract theory our nation is built around where the governed should have consent, Kamala Harris is illegitimate. The process that put her there was rigged.
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I'm going to tell you a story about something else that was completely rigged.

See, I went to the grocery store and I bought all the products I wanted and didn't buy anything I didn't want. So, by your definition my shopping trip was "rigged" because I selected exactly what I wanted, which is my privilege to do since they are my groceries.

The DNC picks their candidate via delegates. These delegates can vote for whomever they want, but have, by custom, not by law, selected the person who got the most votes. In this situation that was not possible so the DNC decided how the DNC was going to handle DNC business. Completely legitimate.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
The American people also voted, and all who voted chose someone else. Kamala got zero votes in the primary and won a rigged delegate vote where the delegates were "faithless" to the electorate.

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Faithless elector - Wikipedia

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I've had you off ignore for less than a week...

Why are you lying about this? You KNOW that you're misleading idiots and fooling no one else.
 
Al-O-Meter said:
With all due respect, I think you are confusing legal with legitimate. What the DNC did was legal but that doesn't make Kamala legitimate. I argue that it is the consent of the governed that bestows legitimacy.
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Well I guess we'll find out if she is legitimate in a little over a week from now.
 
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