The BIG ufc Thread

[CONAN]

I disagree to an extent. I would rather they have the attitude of wanting to fight anyone. But I wouldn't say at any cost and take on all challengers. As both Jones and Silva has shown, there isn't much for talent beneath them I don't blame them for not wanting to fight fights where they have nothing to gain but another chump beaten down.

As far as fighting each other, I'd like to see more of them wanting that (with GSP in the mix). But it's similar to Pacman/Mayweather. If you are going to fight the mega-fight you want to win. And to win you want to do things that help your cause. For example, fighting at your prefered weight.

And you're off on Jones. He fights quite often (some say too often). And Silva was not scheduled to fight but volunteered for 153.

 

[DutchJazzer]

yeah jones fights quite often but why not break sonnens carreer.
it's easy money. money in the bank right.deny that fight because his manager or trainer siad it will be the biggest mistake of his life. so what a champion who does not fight anyone anywhere?
silva did volunteer for the fight. but how often does he fight he is just a punk. i hope vitor belfort fights him. and silva stands to the cage like he did vs bonnar with big john refereeing.

 

[DutchJazzer]

i'd take clay guida any day.
but i gotta say his last fight he was also dancing around like silva, it only didn't resulted in a win.
it was very unguida like, but i heard it was part of the gameplan his trainers gave him. good thing he lost vs gray maynard.

 

[CONAN]

It is weird for someone to hate on Silva and love on Guida.

 

[CONAN]

Jones and Sonnen to coach TUF 17 and then fight for the title.

 

[DutchJazzer]

It is weird for someone to hate on Silva and love on Guida.

why imho guida brought it every single fight he'd just go and fight sure he has strange head movement. but he isnt dancing around like silva did for 5 rounds(ooh wiat last fight he did that).
it is just about "dancing" or "movement".
guida doesnt disrepsect his opponents imho with his "movement"
while silva does this all respect facade and **** outside the cotagon but he si the most disrepsecting to his opponents inside the octagon

 

[CONAN]

Guida sucks and is a coward.

 

[TroutBum]

I disagree to an extent. I would rather they have the attitude of wanting to fight anyone. But I wouldn't say at any cost and take on all challengers. As both Jones and Silva has shown, there isn't much for talent beneath them I don't blame them for not wanting to fight fights where they have nothing to gain but another chump beaten down.

As far as fighting each other, I'd like to see more of them wanting that (with GSP in the mix). But it's similar to Pacman/Mayweather. If you are going to fight the mega-fight you want to win. And to win you want to do things that help your cause. For example, fighting at your prefered weight.

And you're off on Jones. He fights quite often (some say too often). And Silva was not scheduled to fight but volunteered for 153.

Then you're not a true champion, in my humble opinion. A champion takes on any and all comers, no questions asked. If you think you're the best in the world, then prove it. If you lose one of those gimme fights, ala GSP vs. Serra, you'll likely get a rematch in which you can obliterate that person and reclaim your throne. Dodging fights is pathetic.

Jones and Sonnen to coach TUF 17 and then fight for the title.

Please tell me that this is a fact, and not something that you're just hoping happens.

Guida sucks and is a coward.

Guida is in my top 5 most hated tools in all of sports.

 

[CONAN]

Then you're not a true champion, in my humble opinion. A champion takes on any and all comers, no questions asked. If you think you're the best in the world, then prove it. If you lose one of those gimme fights, ala GSP vs. Serra, you'll likely get a rematch in which you can obliterate that person and reclaim your throne. Dodging fights is pathetic.

No, that's dumb. I can understand taking on legit contenders but not just any moron who decides they are the next best thing.

 

[TroutBum]

No, that's dumb. I can understand taking on legit contenders but not just any moron who decides they are the next best thing.

If that were the case, then ya, that's dumb. I can't call Dana White tomorrow and set up a fight with Silva (Silva's lucky). But when that little turd, Joe Silva I think his name is, th guy that makes the matches calls you and says, "Hey Anderson, "So and So" has won five in a row and you're fighting him next." then that is that. As a champion, you can't say, "Um, no. He's not up to my standard." or "Sorry, we're friends and I refuse to fight him." -- see what I'm saying? To be the best you have to constantly be looking to fight the best, not just picking and choosing your battles once you're on top.

 

[CONAN]

I agree with that but that's not what you said. You said ". . . takes on any and all comers . . .". So thanks for clarifying.

And I don't know that I'd call it dodging someone when they suck and Silva knows he can beat them easy. That guy trains as hard as anyone. Why waste that time on some chump he can finish in 10 seconds? Why do you think he messes around so much in the ring? It's cuz he's bored and I don't blame him. His competition sucks. So what if he wants to entertain a little and mess around. So what if people don't like it then knock his @#!*% out. Until then he can fight however he wants.

No question I'd like to see him angle for better fighters. But that doesn't mean he should jump weight classes randomly (GSP, Jones). There has to be give and take.

And also I don't like the "I won't fight my friend" thing. I think when you get into this business you have to sacrifice that for the good of the sport. Complete BS.

I think guys like Silva and Jones will fight any decent competitor within their class. But why should they risk fighting each other if they have to compromise their ideal weight? That plays a part.

But let's be realistic. Currently they make more money apart than together. The key to these super fights is always money and Dana knows that. So he has to pony up major cash to make this happen. And he will and it will happen and I think fans will like it and pay money and then you'll see more and more superfights like Jones/Silva, GSP/Silva, Jones/Dos Santos and so forth.

Because the loser of these superfights loses star power and that's where their money is made.

And then when the classes get some depth this issue will go away. But for now, it's a business dominated by an elite group of top dogs.

 

[TroutBum]

I agree with that but that's not what you said. You said ". . . takes on any and all comers . . .". So thanks for clarifying.

And I don't know that I'd call it dodging someone when they suck and Silva knows he can beat them easy. That guy trains as hard as anyone. Why waste that time on some chump he can finish in 10 seconds? Why do you think he messes around so much in the ring? It's cuz he's bored and I don't blame him. His competition sucks. So what if he wants to entertain a little and mess around. So what if people don't like it then knock his @#!*% out. Until then he can fight however he wants.

No question I'd like to see him angle for better fighters. But that doesn't mean he should jump weight classes randomly (GSP, Jones). There has to be give and take.

And also I don't like the "I won't fight my friend" thing. I think when you get into this business you have to sacrifice that for the good of the sport. Complete BS.

I think guys like Silva and Jones will fight any decent competitor within their class. But why should they risk fighting each other if they have to compromise their ideal weight? That plays a part.

But let's be realistic. Currently they make more money apart than together. The key to these super fights is always money and Dana knows that. So he has to pony up major cash to make this happen. And he will and it will happen and I think fans will like it and pay money and then you'll see more and more superfights like Jones/Silva, GSP/Silva, Jones/Dos Santos and so forth.

Because the loser of these superfights loses star power and that's where their money is made.

And then when the classes get some depth this issue will go away. But for now, it's a business dominated by an elite group of top dogs.

Good points. I, for one, can't wait to see Silva and GSP go at it. Rumor has it that if GSP beats Condit, that's the next fight and it will be a catch weight at 190. But I really want Condit to win, so I'm torn.