The Bill of Rights Series: Amendment 4

[Gameface]

Obama wiped his *** with the Bill if rights. USA better hope a nother liberal does not win or we are done. They think they can force there agenda down are throats and everything will be okay because people are good. Guess what people are not good they will take your rights.

The 4th Amendment, in particular, has been largely ignored my entire lifetime. This is not something one party is doing to us that the other party has any interest in saving us from. This isn't a political thread. It's one about the Bill of Rights and what they mean, how they are applied and in some cases, how they are ignored.

 

[Stoked]

The 4th Amendment, in particular, has been largely ignored my entire lifetime. This is not something one party is doing to us that the other party has any interest in saving us from. This isn't a political thread. It's one about the Bill of Rights and what they mean, how they are applied and in some cases, how they are ignored.

Good call on trying to avoid the blame game.

 

[[size/HUGE] boobs [/size]]

The 4th Amendment, in particular, has been largely ignored my entire lifetime. This is not something one party is doing to us that the other party has any interest in saving us from. This isn't a political thread. It's one about the Bill of Rights and what they mean, how they are applied and in some cases, how they are ignored.

Apology my friend. I do not know what you mean not political in thread politik. I will try.

No knock warrant. I think this thing is both from conservative and liberal yes? Conservative hate drug and liberal do not care if rights. Why is it that you can brake in to my home at 4 a.m. to not expect me assault you? There is two recent case. One where sherrif wakes up to fake cop busting in. Other where 3 women wrastle down fake cop. Why should police be allow these powers? Drug lords are keeping product at home and flushing? This sounds stupid. No more no knock war rent.

 

[Jamezz]

Rand Paul is career politician and corporate America. Dumb ****.

If he's just half as good as his father was I'm all in. We missed on a modern day Founding Father twice America...

 

[Gameface]

Well the good news is we're all talking about guns...again.

Unfortunately I guess that means this thread won't get much attention.

I think GVC brings up one of the bigger issues. Inland border patrol checkpoints. These checkpoints are supposedly there to find illegal immigrants, but in reality they are searching for drug and property seizures that help to fund them. When innocent people who have done nothing to warrant suspicion refuse to be searched they have in some cases been beaten and in many cases arrested on false charges that are later dismissed. These checkpoints are fishing expeditions. They are searching not based on reasonable suspicion, but based on the odds, and hoping that often enough they get lucky. Their favorite find is cash. If for whatever reason you're carrying a relatively large sum of cash (a few thousand dollars, perhaps) they will confiscate it and you then are burdened with proving it is legitimately yours. This doesn't happen at the border, this can happen up to 100 miles from any border, on any random stretch of road. You will be stopped at a checkpoint, interrogated and possibly sent on your way or possibly sent to "secondary" where they will search your vehicle and interrogate you more aggressively. You could be in a sub-compact car where there is zero possibility you are smuggling illegal immigrants. It really doesn't matter.

This, in my opinion, is how everyone should respond to an inland border patrol checkpoint.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W9WY1y3x0k

 

[Nate505]

This is the one the drug war killed, and by far Ronald Reagan was the major reason behind its death.

 

[Nate505]

Obama wiped his *** with the Bill if rights.

Reagan's AG prosecuted The United States vs. Leon, which did far more to damage the 4th Amendment than Obama ever did.

 

[♪alt13]

Interesting tidbit.

There were originally 12 amendments in the Bill of Rights as proposed by James Madison. These extra 2 were never ratified by enough states.

The original first was

After the first enumeration required by the first article of the Constitution, there shall be one Representative for every thirty thousand, until the number shall amount to one hundred, after which the proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall be not less than one hundred Representatives, nor less than one Representative for every forty thousand persons, until the number of Representatives shall amount to two hundred; after which the proportion shall be so regulated by Congress, that there shall not be less than two hundred Representatives, nor more than one Representative for every fifty thousand persons.

This was intended to protect future Americans from an oligarchical elitist government. If this amendment had been ratified we would have ~6400 representatives instead of 450. (1 per 50k instead of 1 per 800k) At first this may sound ridiculous but considering the size and scope of our nation of nearly 320 million people 450 representatives sounds much more ridiculous than 450.

The original second was

No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened.

You can't vote for your own pay raise. I'm not certain but I think congress did something like this in the nineties. Of course not being part of the constitution they could change that at any time.

Edit: I think there is another way to interpret the first. We can set 1 rep per 50k and get ~6400 or we could continue the pattern: less than 100 representatives 1 per 30k, 100+ 1 per 40k, 200+ 1 per 50k...1700+ 1 per 180k meaning we would have ~1772 representatives today.