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The Colangelo Saga: How to screw the true ROTY?

TheStormofWar

TheStormofWar

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Don't see where this has been brought up.

https://thejnotes.com/2018/05/30/utah-jazz-bryan-colangelo-saga-adds-controversy-roy-race/

Getting back to the issue at hand, though, one particular tweet sent out by one of the alleged Colangelo burner accounts seemed to indicate that Simmons could have played in 2016-17, but sat out for the sole purpose of remaining eligible for the Rookie of the Year award this season.

Obviously, I get that there are a lot of hypotheticals involved here. First of all, despite the interesting evidence, let’s assume that Colangelo is innocent until proven guilty. There’s no guarantee that the Twitter user so-called “Eric jr” is actually the Sixers president of basketball operations. Not only that, but one tweet hardly tells the whole story. Perhaps it really was unwise for Simmons to try to play due to the foot injury and his season-long absence was absolutely legitimate.

But on the other hand, assume that Eric jr is a Colangelo burner account and that, as he appears to be hinting at by answering the question stated in the tweet he was replying to, Simmons really could have come back and played, it’s hard not to presume that he was simply held out so as to not lose his rookie status.
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Donovan is gonna be salty as **** next year and drop 70 on the 6'ers. Won't matter this year and won't change the probable results, but this does answer some personal questions I had about Simmons being an ***.
 
On one of the many BS ROY threads I mentioned he was ready to play but being held out or just punting. If you can play then you shouldn’t be eligible... he’s practicing a good chunk of the year and has two offseasons... just dumb and now it’s confirmed.
 
Supposedly there is proof it's not BC. The account was tweeting during one of his live press conferences.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
Supposedly there is proof it's not BC. The account was tweeting during one of his live press conferences.
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That makes him seem more guilty. It sounds like he had someone delete at a very convenient time so he had alibi. It's obviously very easy to have someone else do it for you.
 
The latest info is that it's possibly his wife. His wife's phone number ends with "91" the same as all 3 accounts. She also followed some people tied to her son's high school that gave her an award on those accounts.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
The latest info is that it's possibly his wife. His wife's phone number ends with "91" the same as all 3 accounts. She also followed some people tied to her son's high school that gave her an award on those accounts.
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Seems like the sort of guy that would hang his family out to dry.
 
TheStormofWar said:
Don't see where this has been brought up.

https://thejnotes.com/2018/05/30/utah-jazz-bryan-colangelo-saga-adds-controversy-roy-race/





Donovan is gonna be salty as **** next year and drop 70 on the 6'ers. Won't matter this year and won't change the probable results, but this does answer some personal questions I had about Simmons being an ***.
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Ill never beleive it was Simmons desicion to stay out although I do beleive he was healthy after the break.

76ers wanted one more high pick and Simmons had already had his career delayed by a year because he had to go to college, he was desperate to get on the floor.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
He’ll resign by the end of the weekend. Maybe as early as tomorrow or Friday.
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If he resigns it's essentially an admission of guilt - at least that's the way it will play out.

Unless he pulls that "for the good of the franchise" nonsense but that will probably be transparent as well.

Essentially you're right though - this has to be nipped in the *** ASAP. He gotta go.
 
Good thing they fired the guy that essentially made all of the moves to make the Sixers eventually good in the first place in order to chase a dude that hasn't made a good move in a decade.
 
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Lindsey has made two moves in the last 5 years that are better than anything Colangelo has ever done or will ever do.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Lindsey has made two moves in the last 5 years that are better than anything Colangelo has ever done or will ever do.
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Eh, draft luck is still draft luck. He has the same foundation Utah has with a big and a ball handler. He's struck out in the draft with Nerlens and Embid for a couple years. But they won 52 in an East that is now being underrated.
 
idestroyedthetoilet said:
Eh, draft luck is still draft luck. He has the same foundation Utah has with a big and a ball handler. He's struck out in the draft with Nerlens and Embid for a couple years. But they won 52 in an East that is now being underrated.
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Drafting at the top of the draft and taking the default guys is in nowhere near the same class of work as the acquisition of Gobert and Mitchell. Neither is drafting one of the worst #1 picks of all time.
 
idestroyedthetoilet said:
Eh, draft luck is still draft luck. He has the same foundation Utah has with a big and a ball handler. He's struck out in the draft with Nerlens and Embid for a couple years. But they won 52 in an East that is now being underrated.
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NUMBERICA said:
Drafting at the top of the draft and taking the default guys is in nowhere near the same class of work as the acquisition of Gobert and Mitchell. Neither is drafting one of the worst #1 picks of all time.
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You guys are conflating GMs. Colangelo didn’t draft Embiid, Noel, or Okafor, unless you’re referring to Bargiani as one of the worst #1 picks of all time.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Drafting at the top of the draft and taking the default guys is in nowhere near the same class of work as the acquisition of Gobert and Mitchell. Neither is drafting one of the worst #1 picks of all time.
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Getting into specifics, it's still a gamble. Raul Lopez vs Tony Parker. One stayed healthy and the other had two bum knees. Lopez had more potential, but in the end SAS wound up with the luck of the draw.

I agree that it takes competence to draft and Utah has made a point of getting guys who want to tear your throat out. Gobert and Mitchell were brilliant moves, in hindsight. But if they didn't pan out? Tank for years.
 
Also, Colangelo got KJ and Barkley and made the playoffs for 13 straight. I wouldn't call that "greater than Colangelo has ever done". He's probably over the hill now though.
 
elan_prodigy said:
Ill never beleive it was Simmons desicion to stay out although I do beleive he was healthy after the break.

76ers wanted one more high pick and Simmons had already had his career delayed by a year because he had to go to college, he was desperate to get on the floor.
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This. I'm not sure Simmons was "desperate to get on the floor" but there was simply no reason to give him meaningless minutes. Sixer's were tanking for another pick. Most other teams in a similar situation would do the same.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Good thing they fired the guy that essentially made all of the moves to make the Sixers eventually good in the first place in order to chase a dude that hasn't made a good move in a decade.
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If I recall correctly, it was basically Stern that made the 76er's fire Hinkie and then bring in Colangelo. The 76er's strategy of tanking to get several high draft picks was making the NBA look bad. Hinkie was right, of course. If you cant buy your way to the top by having stars form super teams, the next best recourse is via the draft. And then add a couple of players once you get close. Otherwise, you're just cycling through mid-tier players like a bunch of teams, making the playoffs, but never being good enough to contend. And that's exactly what the NBA loves: big market teams playing for championships; they don't care about the little guys.

Utah was never Philly bad, but Lindsey did a "half-***" tank by filling up the bench with scrubs and keeping payroll at 28th-30th in the league. He got a lot of lottery picks in the process, but only Exum was top-10. Fortunately he made a couple of brilliant trades and struck gold with Jingles. Otherwise his tanking strategy would have been a miserable failure.
 
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