Your opinion is no less biased than his, mine, Scats or One Brows. They same can be said for anyone. Stupid comment all around.
Your opinion is no less biased than his, mine, Scats or One Brows. They same can be said for anyone. Stupid comment all around.
I'm not talking about how people should treat each other. I regularly communicate with people that are homosexual and treat them with as much respect as I treat others I deal with that are not homosexual. My stance on this issue changes nothing about how I treat people. I have dealt with people that I know commit adultery over and over and I still treat those people with the respect they are due as a person and a child of God. I also have issues with what they do and speak out against that too.
Again, has nothing to do with how I treat others, has everything to do with me speaking out for what I believe and feel is right for me, my family, community, and nation. I have a right to be heard just as much as anyone else. You may not like my stance, but that's your choice.
TheStormofWar
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I'll ask you not to take this the wrong way.
You absolutely have a right to feel or say how you personally feel about subjects. It's a free country and I will die to defend that right. But it's wrong, no matter how it's sliced, to deny people who love each other the right to express that love in a manner that they choose. If two consenting adults wish to marry, that is their choice regardless of how people may feel about it.
They've committed no crime that has harmed another, they pay taxes and have the same societal obligations that I do, and can be called upon at any time to defend this country as seen fit by our elected leaders.
To say that two homosexual people cannot marry because we aren't comfortable with it, while asking them to have those same obligations is wrong. Ideological reasons aside, there is nothing wrong with it from a legal or civil stand point. Our society bases their decisions a lot based on fear. Patriot Act anyone?
This really isn't a personal decision about what footwear to put on. To deny consenting adults that right to expression because we aren't comfortable with it is to say that they are second class citizens.
And again, where do you draw the line. Is it fine for two consenting adults that are siblings to marry and express their love in whatever manner they so choose regardless of what is likely to come of that if they have children? I assume that based on what you just said, you are for marriage between siblings and parents to children as well as polygamy, polyandry, and any other form of marriage. I also assume that because you say consenting adults that animals are out?
Am I right?
TheStormofWar
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I never had a direct issue with Polygamy or Polyandry. The same standards apply. Are the children okay? Is there issues with harm to another? By my own logic, I cannot deny that. Incestuous relationships, again, are what they are. What two folks do is their business, provided there is no compelling legal reason to forbid it, such as those standards I mentioned above.
I, personally, do not condone those things. But because I'm not comfortable with it doesn't mean that, provided the children are good and the folks are consenting, it shouldn't be legally feasible. In some states, those are actually legal to varying degrees.
There are plenty of studies to choose from that indicate that a child is better off in many ways having a mother and a father in the household. The fact that the parents in a household love each other is only part of the equation. (Marriage and the Family by the American College of Pediatricians available at https://www.acpeds.org.) (Marriage and the Family by Child Trends available at https://www.childtrends.org.) (Family Matters: Family Structure and Child Outcomes by the Alabama Policy Institute available at https://www.alabamapolicy.org.)
Having a father in the home reduces behavioral problems in boys and psychological problems in girls, enhance cognitive development, and decrease delinquency. (Sarkadi, A., Kristiansson, R., Oberklaid, F., & Bremberg, S. (2008). Fathers’ involvement and children’s developmental outcomes: A systematic review of longitudinal studies. Acta Paediatrica, 97, 153-158.)
It is also known even by pro same sex marriage people that there are few longitudinal studies on children raised by lesbians and none on children raised by homosexual men. I am assuming findings of many studies of this sort is what you are looking for in relation to "concrete evidence". There is not enough of that type of evidence to confirm one way or another if that is the sort of validation you are seeking.
If countless research has gone into and come to the conclusion that children are best off with both a father and and a mother in the home, anything else would have a negative impact from what could be.
I've said this before, and I will say it again, while I don't support it, in some cases it is better than some of the other realities we have out there. Two good parents whether heterosexual, or homosexual can be better than having an abusive parent in the home, or depending on the situation only one parent in the home. There are a lot of factors that are involved in a home and raising a child. That being said, I will continue to support and defend what I see as the best scenario for children, families, my community, and nation. Feel free to see things differently, but I will continue to voice my opinion.
I don't have time to get more into this at the moment, this will have to do as a start.
Oh, these things matter to you? I was under the impression that in your opinion nothing else mattered except that two (or more) people were allowed to show their love for each other in whatever way they wanted.
If they keep voting in politicians with liberal policies the black vote could very well drag the union down. See places like Detroit and Philly.
Darkwing Duck
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Everything I've read is about biological parents, not "mother and father."
Adoptive parents seem to rate the same, whether heterosexual or homosexual, and around the same as single parents.