The costs of gay marriage

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Teach should just say other kids can play their own game the way they want. She doesn't make rules for them. You start your own game. . . . just go have some fun, leave the other kids to theirs. OK?...Get smart, and start pushing for your needs on some reasonable basis that doesn't and won't disrupt the heterosexual marriage game. Call it something else,

So, if we call it the "homosexual marriage game", and refer to both games as marriage, how does that affect the kids with the steelies?

 

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The idea that "Natural law, tradition, religion" come down on the side of reason, or are compatible with "intellectual curiosity, and free inquiry" is side-splittingly funny.

It is fitting that you find humor in mocking the values of others.

 

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... and I firmly believe here is no equivalence between the laws against interracial marriage and the laws in favor of traditional heterosexual marriage. ... But calling me bigoted for my view (which is essentially what you did) is just plain wrong.

I accept that you believe there is no equivalence. However, since every argument currently used opposing homosexual marriage was identical in form to an argument that was used to opposed interracial marriage, you will understand that I find your belief unsupported by your own arguments. Also, it is factually correct to call you a bigot for your stance, even if you are uncomfortable with that label.

 

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I accept that you believe there is no equivalence. However, since every argument currently used opposing homosexual marriage was identical in form to an argument that was used to opposed interracial marriage, you will understand that I find your belief unsupported by your own arguments. Also, it is factually correct to call you a bigot for your stance, even if you are uncomfortable with that label.

Wanted to go off but you standing on your own words is more damning than anything I can say.

 

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I find it interesting that the pro gay-marriage crowd wants to move the "red line" to suit their demands but has a "red line" of their own that they think should be drawn in the sand and never crossed because they find the behavior disgusting and deplorable.

In my case, it's because there is almost never an equal relationship between siblings, and certainly not between parent and child, uncle and niece, etc., as well as because of the extra difficulties society often faces in caring for the children of such unions.

 

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So in our world progress the following taboos are now seen as the norm for many people. (not a complete list)

Adultery, fornication, homosexuality, masturbation, abortion

These taboos have always been the norm in society, whether openly recognized or not.

What's next to be turned into the norm in the name of progress? (again, not a complete list)

incest, necrophilia, bestiality, infanticide, cannibalism, murder

These taboos have never been the norm in society.

Edit: except for infanticide, which has been the norm in some societies. My apologies.

 

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Instead of relying on small samples, or the challenges of discerning sexual orientation of household residents using census data, my colleagues and I randomly screened over 15,000 Americans aged 18-39 and asked them if their biological mother or father ever had a romantic relationship with a member of the same sex. I realize that one same-sex relationship does not a lesbian make, necessarily. But our research team was less concerned with the complicated politics of sexual identity than with same-sex behavior.

The basic results call into question simplistic notions of “no differences,” at least with the generation that is out of the house. On 25 of 40 different outcomes evaluated, the children of women who’ve had same-sex relationships fare quite differently than those in stable, biologically-intact mom-and-pop families, displaying numbers more comparable to those from heterosexual stepfamilies and single parents.

If you compared the group of children whose parents have a homosexual affair while married, to the group of children whose parents had not, would you expect those children to have identical outcomes in the aggregate? I suspect not. If my suspicion is correct, why should the aggregate results be the same when there was a homosexual affair?

 

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All human beings are equal in dignity and should be equal before the law. But equality only forbids arbitrary distinctions. And there is nothing arbitrary about maximizing the chances that children will know the love of their biological parents in a committed and exclusive bond. A strong marriage culture serves children, families and society by encouraging the ideal of giving kids both a mom and a dad.

What is your argument that recognizing homosexual marriage alters those chances in any way?

 

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I was wondering how long it would be before someone goes there. If you think the Mormon Church will embrace gay marriage and act like they always did then it shows your lack of understanding of the LDS church on a basic, fundamental level.

Do you really think you can predict how the LDS church will react 50 years from now? If you go back to the 1930s and tell the LDS members then they will have black priests in the next 40 years, will some of them tell you that you don't understand the LDS church?

 

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A self employeed photgrapher in new Mexico, a private baker in Seattle...

Exactly. They both offered commercial, public services. Did you intend to agree with me, or was that an accident?

 

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I have seen nothing indicating they had a contract. Just that the photog refused to shoot the pictures. Not even the Huffington Post and CNN articles I have seen mention anything about a contract.

Just general skepticism. However, I looked it up. It seems the owners of the studio were quite upfront about saying they don't serve lesbian couples.

I don't think landlords should be permitted to without rental property based on religion, that employers should be permitted to withhold employment based on race, or that photographers should be permitted to withhold services based on sexual orientation. Do you think all three should be permitted?

 

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Not surprised you missed the point. Again.

When you make a relevant point, it won't be missed. As long as your points continue to be irrelevant, they will be ignored.