The Dark Days

[Handlogten's Heros]

Put it this way... there is no method of building that is able to withstand bad luck and there is no method of building that can have sustained success without some good luck.

Even if OKC doesn't win a title they are setup as well as a team can be for sustained success over a long period of time. We may not duplicate their success but we gave ourselves chances to get lucky in similar ways.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

As I've said before, many armchair GM types love and advocate full-on, scorched-earth tanking because it makes them feel superior, like they're playing emotionless 4D chess – they've evolved away from fandom into expertise.

They look down on the hordes of simple-minded basic fans who just want to see good basketball and cheer for as many wins as possible. "They don't see the big picture!!"

Opinions are like assholes Everyone has one. Plus you're an ******* So there's that

 

[FalseFlagg K]

Put it this way... there is no method of building that is able to withstand bad luck and there is no method of building that can have sustained success without some good luck.

Even if OKC doesn't win a title they are setup as well as a team can be for sustained success over a long period of time. We may not duplicate their success but we gave ourselves chances to get lucky in similar ways.

OKC have set themselves up to have a continued window of success that could be 10-15 years They've also made a bunch of picks that haven't been good at all. Just goes to show how hard this all is and how luck is a big factor but if we do something even remotely like them i'm good with it. I'm so glad we're not just squeezing out honorable wins and scratching around just under .500

 

[Nate505]

I'd be all for tanking if the season were like playing a game of 2k. You could sim thru the games, get to the draft, rebuild, and do the same in a month or whatever for many seasons.

But in reality....the next interesting thing about watching the Jazz, bar a trade, will be watching Ainge or whoever sit on the Lottery podium. Then the next interesting thing will be the draft, unless the Jazz get completely ****ed in the lottery like they usually do, then FA. The next season will arrive, and the same feeling of depression will kick in when the Jazz know they have to tank again.

Don't get me wrong, I do see the appeal of tanking. Maybe it does land you a championship player. But just as often it seems to land you in a cycle of suckage.

So yeah, it's mostly a time thing for me. Probably just a product of getting older. When I was in my 20s or 30s, a 5 year rebuild didn't seem that bad. Now it feels like I don't have many 5 year rebuilds in my life to waste. On the weird flip side it's also a ton of time. I used to love watching basketball, but I detest the 3 point chucking era. It's tolerable when the Jazz are good at least, but when it isn't, one of my favorite forms of entertainment that I could rely on for half the year has been neutered, and I'm becoming apathetic to a game and team I've watched religiously for a long time.

 

[Nate505]

Put it this way... there is no method of building that is able to withstand bad luck and there is no method of building that can have sustained success without some good luck.

Even if OKC doesn't win a title they are setup as well as a team can be for sustained success over a long period of time. We may not duplicate their success but we gave ourselves chances to get lucky in similar ways.

Fair enough, but the Jazz need to do the most important thing the Thunder did. Trade for a young guy who has superstar potential. If it requires trading Lauri, so be it, but some sort of swing would be nice to see.

 

[Nate505]

My feelings exactly. I definitely can't watch NBA basketball if it's not the Jazz. They style today just isn't appealing to me.

I remember watching basketball as a teenager in the late 90s and getting excited when someone hit a 3-pointer. Now when Keyonte hits one I'm left wondering if he can hit 33% of them for the game.

Basketball, just like baseball, has been ruined by analytics.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Fair enough, but the Jazz need to do the most important thing the Thunder did. Trade for a young guy who has superstar potential. If it requires trading Lauri, so be it, but some sort of swing would be nice to see.

Doesn’t have to be exactly the same. Getting SGA was great but getting Chet and Jdub in the same draft was critical too. Lauri can be less than SGA and we can still hit big elsewhere.

 

[fishonjazz]

I'd be all for tanking if the season were like playing a game of 2k. You could sim thru the games, get to the draft, rebuild, and do the same in a month or whatever for many seasons.

But in reality....the next interesting thing about watching the Jazz, bar a trade, will be watching Ainge or whoever sit on the Lottery podium. Then the next interesting thing will be the draft, unless the Jazz get completely ****ed in the lottery like they usually do, then FA. The next season will arrive, and the same feeling of depression will kick in when the Jazz know they have to tank again.

Don't get me wrong, I do see the appeal of tanking. Maybe it does land you a championship player. But just as often it seems to land you in a cycle of suckage.

So yeah, it's mostly a time thing for me. Probably just a product of getting older. When I was in my 20s or 30s, a 5 year rebuild didn't seem that bad. Now it feels like I don't have many 5 year rebuilds in my life to waste. On the weird flip side it's also a ton of time. I used to love watching basketball, but I detest the 3 point chucking era. It's tolerable when the Jazz are good at least, but when it isn't, one of my favorite forms of entertainment that I could rely on for half the year has been neutered, and I'm becoming apathetic to a game and team I've watched religiously for a long time.

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