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ok, back to the topic...

I think the author of the article should review a bit of history herself...

Seems to me that a lot of this originated from the Black Power movement of the late 1960's and early 1970's, which morphed into Black Pride...
Black Power probably seemed a little too threatening.



How many of you know anything about this? Is this taught in social studies or history classes?

Here's one of the most memorable examples:
1968_Olympics_Black_Power_salute.jpg
 
Was this true worldwide? or just in the U.S.

I'm fairly sure that the people who lived in Poland and Ireland disagreed, while the people in IndoChina had no opinion whatsoever on the matter.

If you are asking about the those of British/German descent the world over, then yes, it was common in many countries.
 
If you go back 120 minutes, the Googles can show you essays, blog posts, and opinions about what worthless bags of dump white people are too. Because it's on the webz, or in your case, print, then it must be true.

I'm describing a prevailing attitude that appeared in books/magazines/newspapers that were considered of sufficient importance to be preserved.

Sooner or later black people will stop blaming white people for how long dead people treated other long dead people.

How far back is "long dead" for you? Last month?

Culture continues, and perpetuates, until it is changed.
 
So are you saying our culture is exactly the same as it was 120 years ago? We have not changed at all then. Even with a black president it is no better. I think you are a little deep into this. I think if we cannot acknowledge progress so we have something to build on then we force ourselves to perpetuate the culture. There is more than a little catch 22 her imo.
 
It seems that guilt is your prime motivator in matters of race. That fact that you think that you see past it is humorous to me.

What I feel, mostly, is anger. There may indeed be some guilt behind it as well. Of course you can see past it, to a degree, once you acknowledge it.

What's blocking your sight in this regard?

You surely understand the difference between the phrases "white People" and "the white man". I was involved in canvassing against prop 3(protection of marriage) and never once heard anyone say "the straight man". It is confusing the issue.

Any time there is opposition to a rights movement, that opposition has an identity that it gathers around. I'm sure you heard several references to, for example, "family values advocates" and similar people.

I disagree and I stand by my previous argument.

I'm sure you do.

Cuz... I don't know what term you are referring to. Maybe I would make similar statements.

What I feel, mostly, is anger. There may indeed be some guilt behind it as well. Of course you can see past it, to a degree, once you acknowledge it.

Among other things, it's a slang term in Britain for a cigarette.

You are the one imv that is reinforcing race based identity. I do my best to address it without reinforcing it. I have no problem confronting the reality of racial inequality and injustice without resorting to to the kind of rhetoric that you are so fond of. Rhetoric that more often than not serves to perpetuate a racially divided society.

Thanks for your opinion. If you chop off the stalk of a dandelion, and ignore the roots, then it grows back. Everyone agree with cutting off the stalk, but fewer people are comfortable with digging down a couple of feet to get the entire root; the lawn gets messy. I know you like your lawns nice and neat.

Agreed, but it is an unfair characterization of my position/statements.

Sorry, I should have been more clear. I was referring to a cause and equivalent of what you were describing, not directly characterizing that particular statement.
 
I disagree and I stand by my previous argument.

I should have added the caveat that, of course, "black pride" will mean different things to different people. Here's the take of Ms. Daniel, the author of the article in the original post:

Being proud of being white doesn’t mean finding your pale skin pretty or your Swedish history fascinating. It means being proud of the violent disenfranchisement of those barred from this category. Being proud of being black means being proud of surviving this ostracism. Be proud to be Scottish, Norwegian or French, but not white.
 
It has changed because it was pushed into changing by people determined to change it.

From most of your commentary in this thread I would be inclined to believe you feel it is time for us to step up and stop slavery, which is why I asked the question. I think you are somewhat stuck in the 50s era civil rights movement.

It almost seems like racial munchhausen syndrome. By forcing the perpetuation of the disease you can feel at peace with your identity built around fighting the disease. If you are forced to acknowledge that the disease has indeed improved then the sense of identity that comes from fighting it is threatened.
 
If you are forced to acknowledge that the disease has indeed improved then the sense of identity that comes from fighting it is threatened.

I fully acknowledge that racism has become less oppressive over the last 70 years. That doesn't diminish my desire to reduce it further. Do you think the fact of less oppression should reduce the desire to keep reducing oppression? Why?
 
I'm describing a prevailing attitude that appeared in books/magazines/newspapers that were considered of sufficient importance to be preserved.

I'm sure I could go back to the first year of the webz and find articles and opinions about why white people are worthless, but we're just being silly at this point.

How far back is "long dead" for you? Last month?

Culture continues, and perpetuates, until it is changed.

I think a generation or two is sufficient. Clearly, at this point you've come to terms with how The White Man treated The Red Man, so I'm guessing that your idea of long dead is somewhere between a month and 500 years. What do you consider "long dead"? More to the point, when will it be time for "the oppressed" to be fully responsible for their circumstances, and not blame it on Whitey?
 
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