The history white people need to learn

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Smh, give it up man. All this has been covered.

I'll take that as a refusal to answer "no".

 

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And of course, the more pointless it is, the longer the argument continues.


And that ought to be a law, or theorem or at least a corollary! You can even name it after me.

The Moevillini Theorem.

Has a nice ring to it.

 

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I'll take that as a refusal to answer "no".

You should take it as you not fully reading my posts. If you did you'd already have your answer since you are rehashing MY original point.

 

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You should take it as you not fully reading my posts. If you did you'd already have your answer since you are rehashing MY original point.

Your complaint is that I did not read your posts, but AFAICT I read them more carefully than you would have liked. I agreed with your point on a theoretical level, and noted that there was no practical application thereof. There is a difference between "a few idiots" and "everyone who says B", a difference between "a few groups" and "every group that says B". You have discussed these formers, and not acknowledged the latters. I'm OK with that, frankly, and don't see a need to badger you on it further, if you will do me the courtesy of refraining from claiming I did not read your posts. If I misunderstood what you meant, please clarify it, or don't if you prefer. Saying I didn't read it is counter-factual and rude.

 

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Then I simply fail to understand how you can take my argument of why people don't proclaim white pride due to the social stigma as not acknowleging that non racist groups, I also laid a large part of the blame on white racist groups, don't proclaim white pride.

 

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Then I simply fail to understand how you can take my argument of why people don't proclaim white pride due to the social stigma as not acknowleging that non racist groups, I also laid a large part of the blame on white racist groups, don't proclaim white pride.

Because there are alternate ways to take it. It could have been a claim that there are a few group out there who do discuss white pride and are not racist (some people would make that claim), or a claim that it would be possible/desirable to form a group with the intent of reclaiming/rescuing the notion of "white pride" and disassociating the concept from racists. I was curious if you supported either of those alternate notions.

 

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Because there are alternate ways to take it. It could have been a claim that there are a few group out there who do discuss white pride and are not racist (some people would make that claim), or a claim that it would be possible/desirable to form a group with the intent of reclaiming/rescuing the notion of "white pride" and disassociating the concept from racists. I was curious if you supported either of those alternate notions.

I am sure that there may be some but I do not know of them. My point was that people do not do so publicly because of the racist stigma attached to "white pride".

But I absolutely support the seconded bolded part. Me being proud of who I am and where I come from (part of that is that I am white) in no way belittles others or makes me think I am in any way superior because I am white. They should be as proud of who they are and where they come from as I am.

 

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So does anyone know what Stoked means by non-racist "white pride" yet?

 

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So does anyone know what Stoked means by non-racist "white pride" yet?

I think he's talking about bread.

 

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So does anyone know what Stoked means by non-racist "white pride" yet?

Probably ancestry, but I'm sure that's not an acceptable reasoning because it's not as old as black ancestry, so the younger race is racist for claiming heritage that doesn't pay homage to the older, blacker race.

Is that what you were getting at?

 

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I think you've grossly misrepresented the Black Pride 'movement.' I would suggest to you that it is a diverse movement with diverse messages, including humanistic ideals such as individual and group pride and rejection of shame, but also including baser emotions, such as deviance against perceived oppressors and messages of intolerance and hate. It's understandable for those who feel oppressed to have feelings of hate, or other strong negative emotions, toward their oppressors. Disappointing but understandable. You, however, have chosen to focus on that part of the movement that fits your preconceived narrative. That the Black Pride movement includes many, many reasonable, rational people with positive messages should be seen as a triumph of sorts, yet all you can see, it seems, is the negative. Why is that?

First I would like to point out that I have already said that the emotions are understandable in this thread.

Second you have hit the nail on the head when you referred to humanistic ideals. Such ideals make a pride movement not only superfluous but counter productive. A pride movement attracts and to some level validates the nastier elements. It is my belief that we can address and resolve racial issues without resorting to divisional tactics, charged rhetoric, and baser emotions. A young black man does not need me to support his pride he only needs me to support his rights and his dignity.

In the post that you quoted I was not trying to say that all people within the black pride movement feel that way but that it is a breeding ground for those kind of attitudes.

That's the problem, society feels that it absolutely has to equate white pride with racism.That they cannot be seperated. I reject that they are one and the same. I flat out reject that white pride has to be about racism. No matter how some groups, on both sides of the fence, wish to paint it so. I truly feel like you already knew I was saying this and are trying to spin.
I agree that there are social beliefs and opinions that should be rejected by society. Such as racist beliefs.

My previous posts in response to those defending black pride apply to white pride as well.

Put out two identical resumes, except for the name, on a job site. Give one of the the fist name of DeMare, or any similar name culturally associated with black people, and another a name associated with white people, say Bradley. Make sure to check the EEOC boxes appropriately. Get back to me on the difference in the response level, and then tell me there is no such thing as white privilege.

The exclusion of blacks is of benefit to no one. There is plenty of room and resources in America for the 13% of the population that is black to have the same quality of life as white people. It is racism towards blacks not privilege for whites.

 

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Put out two identical resumes, except for the name, on a job site. Give one of the the fist name of DeMare, or any similar name culturally associated with black people, and another a name associated with white people, say Bradley. Make sure to check the EEOC boxes appropriately. Get back to me on the difference in the response level, and then tell me there is no such thing as white privilege.

Oh, so you've seen that anecdotal video too, huh? On the inner webz = truth.