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The Jazz agreed to terms with Elson

NUMBERICA said:
The Jazz are going to lose games they shouldn't if they're playing Price 15 MPG behind Deron.

Until Memo comes back, the rotation will be pretty close to this
Williams 36/some **** player 12
Bell 28/Miles 20
AK 16/Hayward 22/Miles 10
Millsap 32/AK 16
Jefferson 36/Elson or Fes 12
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We see things about the same. It's early in the season. I think the starters can/will play heavy minutes, especially with Okur out. Hayward will play some, but Sloan's not going to take the training wheels off just yet. Remember, Deron had MUCH more potential and Williams was sitting on the bench behind Palacio and McLeod in his rookie season.

C - Jefferson 36, Elson/Fes 12
PF - Millsap 34, AK 14
SF - AK 18, CJ 25, Evans 5
SG - Raja 28, Hayward 15, CJ 5
PG - Deron 38, Price/Gaines 10

I think the Jazz see Hayward as a SG. At least KOC does. We'll be o.k. until Okur comes back - as long as there are no other injuries.
 
I think it goes like:

With Okur:
5 Okur (28), Jefferson (8), Fess/Elson (12)
4 Jefferson (24), Millsap (24)
3 AK (28), Miles (15), whatever (5)
2 Bell (24), Miles (12), Hayward (12)
1 D. Will (36), TBD (12)


Without Okur:
5 Fess (18), Jefferson (12), Elson (18)
4 Jefferson (22), Millsap (26)
3 AK (26), Miles (17), whatever (5)
2 Bell (24), Miles (12), Hayward (12)
1 D. Will (36), TBD (12)

You have to remember, Millsap isn't really a starting PF, not when you have Jefferson.
AK isn't normally a PF with the Jazz, not when you have Jefferson and Millsap.
 
Deron finally got the shotblocking center he was whining for. If he cant win a championship with Elson, he aint gonna win anything.
 
Catchall said:
I think it goes like:

With Okur:
5 Okur (28), Jefferson (8), Fess/Elson (12)
4 Jefferson (24), Millsap (24)
3 AK (28), Miles (15), whatever (5)
2 Bell (24), Miles (12), Hayward (12)
1 D. Will (36), TBD (12)


Without Okur:
5 Fess (18), Jefferson (12), Elson (18)
4 Jefferson (22), Millsap (26)
3 AK (26), Miles (17), whatever (5)
2 Bell (24), Miles (12), Hayward (12)
1 D. Will (36), TBD (12)

You have to remember, Millsap isn't really a starting PF, not when you have Jefferson.
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Um, Okur isn't really a starting C, not when you have Jefferson.

Millsap's gonna get 30+ MPG unless he's getting pwned.

AK + Jefferson might be a superior option to PM + AJ at the 4/5 in some circumstances.

I don't see MO + AJ (or AJ + MO) being a superior option unless the opposition isn't particularly quick or is especially tall. It will be very interesting to see if Jefferson alongside Okur or Millsap can handle the Twin Towers of Tinseltown better than Boozer and Millsap together could.
 
Seriously? Boozer is erased by the Lakers and Millsap is simply too short to come out as a net positive. If anything, a starting 4/5 of Jefferson and Okur might only make sense against the Lakers as Jefferson is going to get torched playing 4 against a lot of teams (and Odom will kill Jefferson just as bad as Boozer or worse if they end up matched against each other).

However, I am looking forward to seeing Bosh just get steam-rolled by Jefferson when he gets stuck guarding him in the post for one possession before The Heat have to hide him on D.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Seriously? Boozer is erased by the Lakers and Millsap is simply too short to come out as a net positive. If anything, a starting 4/5 of Jefferson and Okur might only make sense against the Lakers as Jefferson is going to get torched playing 4 against a lot of teams (and Odom will kill Jefferson just as bad as Boozer or worse if they end up matched against each other).

However, I am looking forward to seeing Bosh just get steam-rolled by Jefferson when he gets stuck guarding him in the post for one possession before The Heat have to hide him on D.
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Yeah, I think Jefferson/Okur or even Jefferson/Fes gives up a better chance against the Lakers. Millsap is really what like 6'6" 6'7" at most. To small against Gasol/Bynum and Odom usually torches him as well.
 
I've said all along that for the purity of basketball (all emotion aside), the best line up is;

Deron
Raja
AK
Okur
Jefferson

I won't rehash all the reasons why, but anyone that truly knows how basketball is played will 'get it.'
 
PKM said:
I've said all along that for the purity of basketball (all emotion aside), the best line up is;

Deron
Raja
AK
Okur
Jefferson

I won't rehash all the reasons why, but anyone that truly knows how basketball is played will 'get it.'
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That line-up makes perfect sense.
 
NUMBERICA said:
Seriously? Boozer is erased by the Lakers and Millsap is simply too short to come out as a net positive. If anything, a starting 4/5 of Jefferson and Okur might only make sense against the Lakers as Jefferson is going to get torched playing 4 against a lot of teams (and Odom will kill Jefferson just as bad as Boozer or worse if they end up matched against each other).
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Yes. Seriously.

While Jefferson is probably an upgrade over Boozer, especially against the Men in Jaundice, whether Okur is a liability in a MO/AJ pair is not clear. He simply hasn't proven to be able to play on both ends of the court in playoff games against competitive teams; just ask Houston. He still might play the matador role against a driving Odom and Bryant, just like Boozer did (and Millsap, too, despite his best effort). He wasn't very agile before the Achilles injury, and I'm not optimistic that he'll come back any more fleet of foot--or tendon.

I know that it might surprise you that I think this, but AJ + Fes might be decent against the Fakers. Boozer and Fes were pretty good in the playoffs, despite the lack of scoring (and experience) by KF, and Big Al brings even more height. And if Sloan gets Fesenko minutes, he'll probably be more prepared for the basics against all teams.
 
PKM said:
I've said all along that for the purity of basketball (all emotion aside), the best line up is;

Deron
Raja
AK
Okur
Jefferson

I won't rehash all the reasons why, but anyone that truly knows how basketball is played will 'get it.'
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......hmm actually that's not a bad choice putting Okur at PF considering other PFs nowadays are quite tall (see Gasol, Garnette, etc).

In the end it'll be interesting to see if Jerry Sloan is a 'good enough coach' to 'get it' ..LOL!!!
 
Elson, eh? The guy reminds me of Thurl Bailey. Good deal. Will be nice to have another big that doesn't **** his pants when he gets the ball.
 
Hotttnickkk said:
......hmm actually that's not a bad choice putting Okur at PF considering other PFs nowadays are quite tall (see Gasol, Garnette, etc).

In the end it'll be interesting to see if Jerry Sloan is a 'good enough coach' to 'get it' ..LOL!!!
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We can debate whether Okur is the PF or the C in this line-up. On offense, Okur will be out on the floor and Jefferson will be in the low post. (Okur does pull another defender out on the floor to give Jefferson more room to operate.) On defense through, Okur is better defending in the post than he is out on the floor, where quicker PFs could show him up. However, it remains to be seen if Jefferson defends out on the floor any better...
 
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