The Jazz and the Triangle Offense

[Park Bites]

Been doing some thinking and looking at the roster for next year and I think this team is perfectly set up to run the triangle offense. both burks and Hayward are good wing passers that thrive in cutting to the basket. favors is athletic enough to slip the high screen for a quick finish. kanter is perfect in the high post because he is a good shooter and a decent passer. mo is not a huge passing pg but is a good shooter. this offense doesn't run through the pg.

what would have to happen to make this happen

1- fire corbin hire brian shaw
2- let big al go or work a SnT
3- in the draft get dieng (a very good passing big man) and say wolters.

it almost always takes a season to learn it so the jazz end up stinking next year. get BPA and then everything starts coming together. playoffs in 2015. conference finals in 2016 and nba finals in 2017 and 2018.

 

[Park Bites]

4- have shaw keep hornecek and hire McMillan as the defensive coach. (this is the wild card sense shaw will want his own people)

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Shaw can teach the triangle because why?

 

[franklin]

Jazz already run some triangle. I don't think fans have the patience for a full system to be implemented though. You're fire Corbin hire Shaw comment is proof of that.

I agree that Corbin should implement a continuously flowing offense though. This set play-motion nonsense only works with superstars, and it's boring as hell to watch this squad attempt to do what they're physically incapable of.

 

[Batman]

Jazz already run some triangle. I don't think fans have the patience for a full system to be implemented though. You're fire Corbin hire Shaw comment is proof of that.

I agree that Corbin should implement a continuously flowing offense though. This set play-motion nonsense only works with superstars, and it's boring as hell to watch this squad attempt to do what they're physically incapable of.

This ^

 

[Park Bites]

Shaw can teach the triangle because why?

Brian shaw is a disciple of phill Jackson. playing for and coaching with.

 

[vslice02]

-Love the triangle offense but don't like the thought of it coming to Utah because it's even more personel-dependant than "Jazzbasketball" (as it was run under Jerry&Phil). While I'm high on the potential of the Core-4, the one element missing that's requisite to the triangle is an elite top-10 scorer. That's what makes the triple-post offense most effective - because the movement and spacing inhibits effective double-teaming of that elite scorer - the movment opens up the court for the Jordan/Pippen/Shaq/Kobe/Gasol's to operate 1-on-1 and the floor-spacing makes double-teams pay. As far as systems go, we've seen Jazzbasketball succeed with marginal and below-average talent. We've yet to see the triangle succeed without atleast one top-10 player. I like the potential of Burks, Hayward, and Kanter becoming above-average offensive players - but they're not on the level where a team could build the triple-post offense around their skillset.

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-Think Shaw will be a good coach (and would probably be an improvement over Corbin if nothing more than by default) but coaching trees in the NBA don't have the same succes as they do in the NFL. We saw Kurt Rambis try to implement the triangle in Minnesota and it failed miserably. You can point to below-average talent - but the main idea of implementing a rigid system is to make the sum better than the parts. There's alot of things you can do offensively to play good basketball w/out an elite scorer - but IMO that gets a little tougher to do in the triple-post, and it's hard to see the Jazz having such a talent on their roster unless they can find good fortune in free-agency or the draft.

 

[Park Bites]

-Love the triangle offense but don't like the thought of it coming to Utah because it's even more personel-dependant than "Jazzbasketball" (as it was run under Jerry&Phil). While I'm high on the potential of the Core-4, the one element missing that's requisite to the triangle is an elite top-10 scorer. That's what makes the triple-post offense most effective - because the movement and spacing inhibits effective double-teaming of that elite scorer - the movment opens up the court for the Jordan/Pippen/Shaq/Kobe/Gasol's to operate 1-on-1 and the floor-spacing makes double-teams pay. As far as systems go, we've seen Jazzbasketball succeed with marginal and below-average talent. We've yet to see the triangle succeed without atleast one top-10 player. I like the potential of Burks, Hayward, and Kanter becoming above-average offensive players - but they're not on the level where a team could build the triple-post offense around their skillset.

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-Think Shaw will be a good coach (and would probably be an improvement over Corbin if nothing more than by default) but coaching trees in the NBA don't have the same succes as they do in the NFL. We saw Kurt Rambis try to implement the triangle in Minnesota and it failed miserably. You can point to below-average talent - but the main idea of implementing a rigid system is to make the sum better than the parts. There's alot of things you can do offensively to play good basketball w/out an elite scorer - but IMO that gets a little tougher to do in the triple-post, and it's hard to see the Jazz having such a talent on their roster unless they can find good fortune in free-agency or the draft.

Great reply that is why in 2014 the Jazz are not very good. in that Draft they get that great scorer.

 

[vslice02]

Great reply that is why in 2014 the Jazz are not very good. in that Draft they get that great scorer.

I don't think it's a sound strategy to pick a system and hope you get a "great scorer" the following year who fits in but I agree it's highly possible the Jazz take a step-back next year, and the most frustrating part of that is Utah could have accelerated that entire process by a year if they didn't put 2011-12 on repeat this season.

 

[franklin]

-Love the triangle offense but don't like the thought of it coming to Utah because it's even more personel-dependant than "Jazzbasketball" (as it was run under Jerry&Phil). While I'm high on the potential of the Core-4, the one element missing that's requisite to the triangle is an elite top-10 scorer. That's what makes the triple-post offense most effective - because the movement and spacing inhibits effective double-teaming of that elite scorer - the movment opens up the court for the Jordan/Pippen/Shaq/Kobe/Gasol's to operate 1-on-1 and the floor-spacing makes double-teams pay. As far as systems go, we've seen Jazzbasketball succeed with marginal and below-average talent. We've yet to see the triangle succeed without atleast one top-10 player. I like the potential of Burks, Hayward, and Kanter becoming above-average offensive players - but they're not on the level where a team could build the triple-post offense around their skillset.

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-Think Shaw will be a good coach (and would probably be an improvement over Corbin if nothing more than by default) but coaching trees in the NBA don't have the same succes as they do in the NFL. We saw Kurt Rambis try to implement the triangle in Minnesota and it failed miserably. You can point to below-average talent - but the main idea of implementing a rigid system is to make the sum better than the parts. There's alot of things you can do offensively to play good basketball w/out an elite scorer - but IMO that gets a little tougher to do in the triple-post, and it's hard to see the Jazz having such a talent on their roster unless they can find good fortune in free-agency or the draft.

I think you're oversimplifying the need for a top player for the triangle -- it's a must for any offense.

What made the triangle so effective on many Jackson teams was the incredible versatility of some of the players (Odom, Gasol's passing) who could move between positions as the offense flowed. This is something that makes the Spurs so deadly (Splitter, Big Red, The stinky Brazilian).

He also had groups that stayed together for long times, which is just one more benefit of having two dominant players in a big market. Every system needs anchors to keep it running smoothly through player transitions. (notice another element making the Spurs so deadly) Corbin could implement a triangle if he thought Kanter-Favors-Burks-Hayward would be around long enough to make it worth while. But none has shown dominance so what's the point of implementing a system only to have it fall apart? Jeffyball was the solution as Kanter transitions into Jefferson. Meanwhile, Hayward learns to play NBA ball and Burks was taught a thing or two.